12 Replies Latest reply on Oct 2, 2014 12:59 PM by cpvalle1

    Export back to XDcam optical disc

    mskogstrom

      I am back to Premiere after using both Avid and Final Cut Pro for many years. Premiere has come a long way since version 5.1. Happy so far but have a few issues I can't seem to solve.

       

      If I needed to export an edit back to XDCam optical disk from Premiere Pro how do I do that?

       

      Sincerely,

       

      marcus

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        • 1. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          You'd need hardware that could do so, for starters.  I've never seen stand-alone decks that record to disk, only cameras.

           

          But assuming such hardware exists, you'd need a way to get the signal into it, such as HDMI or HD-SDI.  Blackmagic, AJA and Bluefish make cards for this purpose.

          • 2. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
            ISDV Level 1

            There are plenty of decks and cameras that are able to receive an edit from Premiere Pro CS6. I believe that it was version CS3 that was the first to write back to an XDCAM Professional Optical Disc in combination with the MainConcept plug-in.

             

            The only thing you need is:

            Professional Optical Disc camera, deck, drive and server.

            FireWire port (i-LINK, IEEE1394) on your editing machine when using a camera, deck or server.

            USB port if you are going to use a drive.

            Also needed is the correct FAM-driver that can be found for free on Sony’s website.

            It has nothing to do with third party cards like AJA, Blackmagic Design or Bluefish444. And certainly not with HDMI, because none of Sony’s optical machines have a HDMI connection.

            Here is a list with all the capable equipment from Sony.

             

            Cameras SD: PDW-510, PDW-530.

            Cameras HD420: PDW-F330, PDW-F350, PDW-F335, PDW-F355.

            Cameras HD422: PDW-680, PDW-700 and PDW-F800.

             

            Decks SD: PDW-1500, PDW-R1

            Decks HD420: PDW-F70, PDW-F75

            Decks HD422: PDW-HD1500, PDW-F1600, PDW-HR1

             

            Drive HD422: PDW-U1, PDW-U2.

             

            Server HD422: XDS-PD1000, XDS-PD2000.

             

            SD = DVCAM + MPEG-IMX 30, 40, 50.

            HD420 = DVCAM + MPEG-HD 18, 25, 35.

            HD422 = DVCAM + MPEG-IMX 30, 40, 50 + MPEG-HD 18, 25, 35 + MPEG-HD422. Some of these CODEC’s are optional (not free) on the PDW-700 and PDW-HD1500.

             

            The easiest way is exporting your sequence back via FireWire to one of the above machines, except for the drives. Therefore you’ll need USB 2.0 or even USB 3.0 on the PDW-U2. I believe it also is possible to do it through the Ethernet connection on some of the higher-end machines.

            I have never done this myself with Premiere Pro because I’m still using Final Cut Pro 7. But it goes something like this: click the timeline to activate it en then go to FILE/EXPORT/SONY XDCAM. The sequence gets rendered and then laid back to a Professional Optical Disc. I’ve done this several times and it works like a charm.

             

            Don’t forget to install the correct FAM-driver (FAM = File Access Mode), and put your machine in FAM-mode when using FireWire or USB.

             

            Of course you can also do it the old-fashioned way by just playing back your timeline and record it through SDI, HDSDI, component or composite to a deck or server.

             

            Here is a link to see how it goes in Adobe Premiere Pro CS3 and the MainConcept plug-in.

            http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/video/collections-workflow/video-xdcam_ex_adobe_premiere_pro/

             

            And here you see how it goes in Final Cut Pro with a PDW-U1 drive.

            http://vimeo.com/5189363

             

            Good luck and hope this helps!

             

            Friendly greetings,

             

            Ivan

            • 3. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
              mskogstrom Level 1

              Thanks for your post!

               

              I've been exporting back to optical disc for years from within FCP but my understanding is it might be a problem with PP.

               

              I forgot to mention this in my first post, I am talking about writing "data" back to disc to a camera or disc reader/writer not via a deck and HDSDI.

               

              Do I have to use a plug in?  I went to main concept website and they are Windows only and I am Mac based...

               

              Thanks Again!

               

              Marcus

               

               

               

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              28 jul 2012 kl. 19:55 skrev "ISDV" <forums@adobe.com<mailto:forums@adobe.com>>:

               

              Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc

              created by ISDV<http://forums.adobe.com/people/ISDV> in Premiere Pro CS5, CS5.5, & CS6 - View the full discussion<http://forums.adobe.com/message/4585005#4585005

              • 4. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                ISDV Level 1

                Hi Marcus!

                 

                I'm sorry if I misundestood your first post.

                 

                So, if I understand you correct, you only want to write data back to an optical disc.

                 

                In the first part of the movie below, they explain how to write data back to a PDW-U1 drive. Same procedure for the PDW-U2.

                http://vimeo.com/5189363

                 

                Be aware that you cannot use the complete disc to write data back when using a camcorder. Only 500 Megabytes can be put in the "General" folder of the disc. When using a U1 or U2 drive you can use the complete single and dual layer disc with a U1 and the U2 adds the quad layer and upcoming triple layer to it.

                 

                If you use a such drive, you must install the U1/U2 utility on your Mac!

                http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/micro-xdcam/resource.downloads.bbsccms-assets-micro-xdcam-dow nloads-XDCAMDriveSoftwarePDWU1MacTC.shtml

                 

                Hope this helps!

                 

                Ivan

                • 5. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                  mskogstrom Level 1

                  Thanks again Ivan for your help. I wasn't being really clear. I meant write back video as a data file to disc.

                  I'll give a clear

                  Example.

                   

                  Shoot an event. Import into PP. Edit. Export edit back to PMW-700 camera. Playback finiahed edit through SDI output of camera.

                  Do I need a specific plug in to do this?

                   

                  Thanks and hope this is clear.

                   

                  Marcus Skogstrom - via Mobile device.

                  director of photography

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                  28 jul 2012 kl. 22:19 skrev "ISDV" <forums@adobe.com<mailto:forums@adobe.com>>:

                   

                  Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc

                  created by ISDV<http://forums.adobe.com/people/ISDV> in Premiere Pro CS5, CS5.5, & CS6 - View the full discussion<http://forums.adobe.com/message/4585116#4585116

                  • 6. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                    ISDV Level 1

                    Hello Marcus,

                     

                    You need to install the latest Sony FAM-driver on your Mac for writing your edit back to the disc. I guess that's all.

                     

                    Importing goes now via the "Media Browser" as I understand it correct. I believe therefore XDCAM Transfer software isn't needed anymore, but I think it wouldn't hurt to have it installed too.

                    When your edited sequence is written back to the disc, you’re able to play it out on your PDW-700 via the SDI or HDSDI connection.

                     

                    I still use FCP7 so how it all precisely goes in Premiere, I do not know for sure. I'm sorry for that! Production Premium CS5.5 is installed on my Mac, but haven't used Premiere Pro. Shortly I will be switching to CS6.

                     

                    Here are some other movies for the PDW-700. In part 4 Andy explains how to write back to the 700 with FCP. I assume it's almost the same with Premiere.

                    http://resources.abelcine.com/2009/02/23/abel%e2%80%99s-sony-pdw-700-xdcam-camera-tour/

                     

                     

                    Another document from Adobe that can be useful. Using Adobe® Premiere Pro CS6 with file-based Sony XDCAM content.

                    http://www.adobe.com/content/dam/Adobe/en/products/premiere/cs6/pdfs/adobe-premiere-pro-cs 6-sony-xd-cam.pdf

                     

                    Try it and let us know if it works.

                     

                    Greetings,

                     

                    Ivan

                     

                    PS: what version of Premiere Pro are you using Marcus?

                    • 7. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                      Marc Peter

                      Hello Marcus,

                       

                      i am suffering from the same problem. Im desperately searching for a way to send back my edit to a SONY PDW-U1 in XDCam HD. Have you found a solution?

                       

                      Greetings,

                      Marc

                      • 8. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                        mskogstrom Level 1

                        Hi Marc

                         

                        Yes I did find a solution.   There is no command to do it from within PP but you export a file to your desktop and then drag it onto the Prof disc through your finder/explorer.  Will try and post on my blog the steps needed and will give you a heads up once posted.

                        • 9. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                          mskogstrom Level 1

                          I am tired.... really tired I guess.  I already posted a solution on my blog back in Aug.

                           

                          http://www.mskogstrom.com/2012/08/cs6-premiere-pro-and-xdcam-solution/

                           

                          Try and let me know if it works out! 

                           

                          cheers.

                          • 10. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                            Marc Peter Level 1

                            Hey Marcus,

                             

                            I found out the exact same today, only through try and error. Makes me wonder, if this is the simple solution (EXPORT as "OP1a MXF" - Drag it IN THE FINDER to the Clips Folder of your XDCamHD - Disc) why is it so hard to find?  The Adobe XDCam Workflow Paper says nothing about this.

                             

                            Thanx a lot for your help!!! 

                            Marc

                            • 11. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                              I have a blog almost ready about this subject. I'll publish it soon. Thanks!

                              • 12. Re: Export back to XDcam optical disc
                                cpvalle1

                                The steps to perform an export of XDCAM from PremierePro CC is different than FCP 6 & 7. You must have drivers as indicated above. Pay attention to what version of OS you are using with these drivers. You will also need a deck which are quite expensive but have come down in price. In Premiere Pro, you select your timeline, File, Export (   & M). Then under Format choose:  MXF OP1a. Choose a filename and a location to put your MXF file.; more than likely your desktop. Now depending on your needs you need to choose what quality you want your file as and I use  XDCAM HD 35 NTSC 60i. A MXF file and XMP will be created.  Once your export is done put your disc in the XDCAM drive and if you installed the drivers correctly it should show up as a XDCAM Blue Disc and not a thumb drive. Double click the disc and an explorer window should appear and you'll see a list of folders and files - double click the "Clips" folder. There you drag and drop your MXF file (Note: file names can contain spaces and numbers but no special characters at all). Immediately the file should start writing to the disc if a pop-up window comes up then an error has occurred and you will need to re-export the file in a different XDCAM format. After file is transferred you can delete the MXF and XMP file. Only other hint I can give is always format new discs.