8 Replies Latest reply: Sep 12, 2014 4:03 PM by A.T. Romano RSS

    Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim

    srgim

      I have tried the project archiver and noticed it didn't trim the media I used in the project. I didn't use a full lenght of some of the MOV files - I used just some parts of them.

      When I used it in PrE 4 it used to trim and save only trimmed media in the archive. Right now this is not the case - the trimmed archive contains full media files.

      I have tried the "archive" option of the project archiver.

       

      Does anyone have any idea why it doesn't trim? Do I need to enable any extra option?

       

      Thank you in advance.

        • 1. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
          Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

          Which of Project Archiver option did you select?

           

          There are more than one.

          • 2. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
            srgim Community Member

            Hi Steve,

             

            As mentioned in the original post - I have tried the "archive" option of the project archiver.

             

            This is really weird, I checked my old archives and I can confirm the feature worked as expected in PrE 8 as well as 4. The trimmed clips had _1, _2 etc added to their names. Right now I'm getting only the original clips coppied (not trimmed) even though when I do the archive there is a window displayed saying "trimming media".

             

            Could you confirm this option should still trim in PrE 10 or did they change something?

             


            • 3. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
              Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

              I've never known the Archiver to save trimmed video. It's always had either the option to save every video in the project or every video on the timeline.

               

              Can  you confirm that a previous version absolutely saved trimmed video clips?

              • 4. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
                srgim Community Member

                Steve,

                 

                Here is an example of my old archive from 2010. It's a list of dir content:

                2012-07-29  14:03         3 583 396 IMG_3059.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:03         3 432 741 IMG_3060.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:03         2 964 131 IMG_3061.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:03         3 291 273 IMG_3062.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:03         2 766 421 IMG_3063.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:03         3 106 298 IMG_3064.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 755 492 IMG_3086.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 408 292 IMG_3087.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 259 296 IMG_3088.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 635 589 IMG_3090.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 697 595 IMG_3091.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         3 014 129 IMG_3093.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 604 033 IMG_3094.JPG

                2012-07-29  14:04         2 304 113 IMG_3113.JPG

                2012-08-05  15:19    <DIR>          Layouts

                2012-07-29  14:03        69 798 132 MVI_3066.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        28 485 876 MVI_3067.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        32 166 812 MVI_3068.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        52 713 880 MVI_3068_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        14 850 120 MVI_3069.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        22 535 296 MVI_3069_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        21 828 720 MVI_3070.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        20 510 928 MVI_3070_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        30 262 264 MVI_3070_002.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        27 640 272 MVI_3071.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        20 168 484 MVI_3072.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        30 471 904 MVI_3072_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        17 205 532 MVI_3072_002.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        53 689 240 MVI_3073.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        15 205 384 MVI_3075.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        15 759 076 MVI_3076.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        21 974 764 MVI_3076_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        12 681 380 MVI_3077.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        18 783 140 MVI_3077_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        85 042 908 MVI_3079.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:03        24 903 608 MVI_3080.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        22 993 300 MVI_3081.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        18 960 280 MVI_3081_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        35 214 632 MVI_3082.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        54 106 656 MVI_3082_001.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        35 817 460 MVI_3082_002.MOV

                2012-07-29  14:04        24 067 328 MVI_3083.MOV

                 

                As you can see there are files like mvi_3082_*

                The original file was mvi_3082 but I had sliced it when I made the project. When I archived it the original long file 3082 was trimmed into short clips, only these parts which were used in the time grid. The output above comes from a project made in PrE 8. I made a few and observed the same behaviour for each of them.

                I found it as a very nice feature as when the original files were for example 5GB the archived version could be as low as 2 GB (as I cut a lot of rubbish scenes)

                • 5. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
                  Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

                  Looks like you're right!

                   

                  Unfortunately, I don't know any way to change it in the recenter version. Sorry.

                  • 6. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
                    BigDiggity

                    Bumping this thread, I'm encountering the same issue in Premiere Elements 10. . I'm using the 'Archive' option, not the copy option, which says that it trims, but, its not trimming the resulting files so its of no value.  It also does not update the file locations of the media files in the .prel file.  The file paths in <ActualMediaFilePath> still refer to the original file locations, so if the old files are deleted, you get the Where Is _Filename_ dialog, for every file. 

                     

                    Anyone know a solution?

                    • 7. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
                      A.T. Romano Community Member

                      bigdiggity

                       

                      Back in 2012, I was not around this forum on a constant basis the way I am now.

                       

                      If I had been here then, I would have challenged srgim on the data presented.

                       

                      I am not ready at this moment to translate how Adobe is using the word trim in its Project Archiver Archive Project, but I will tell you this.

                      I have looked at the Archive Project option in Premiere Elements 4 through 12 and have never seen "trims" in the Trimmed Folder.

                      Only a whole original file in the Trimmed Folder for the project.prel to trace back to for its source media.

                       

                      So what was presented in this thread back in 2012 I do not see as reflecting a difference in Premiere Elements versions, but goes to

                      what this user was doing and more information about that "list".

                       

                      The major advantage of Trimmed over Copied Folder that I have ever run across is

                      Trimmed Folder - only copies of the source media that went onto the Timeline

                      Copied Folder - copies of imported source media whether or not they went to the Timeline.

                       

                      That is the only "trimming" I have seen associated with this feature.

                       

                      Tomorrow I will look into this deeper.

                       

                      ATR

                      • 8. Re: Project Archiver in PrE10 - no trim
                        A.T. Romano Community Member

                        bigdiggity

                         

                        Thank you very much for reopening this 2012 thread on September 2, 2014 and questioning the Premiere Elements 10 Project Archiver/Archive Project option and the replies you found in the thread. Please refer to your post numbered 6 and my reply to it (post numbered 7, September 2, 2014).

                         

                        The following is my amendment to my post reply 7.

                         

                        I have just got finished doing a more comprehensive study on "Is Creating a New Trimmed Project possible in Premiere Elements as Adobe documentation would lead us to believe?" The study included DV.AVI, H.264.MOV, and AVCHD.MP4 files trimmed on the Premiere Elements Timeline and archived with the Project Archiver/Archived Project option (Premiere Elements 4 through 12).

                         

                        The bottom line is that I could create a New Trimmed Project with the Archived Project option for Premiere Elements 4 through 8, but not for Premiere Elements 9 through 12. And, even for 4 through 8, the procedure does not work for all formats. This study was done with Premiere Elements versions on Windows 7 64 bit. I do not have a Mac computer.

                         

                        The study details and the results can be found

                        ATR Premiere Elements Troubleshooting: PE: Creating A New Trimmed Project?

                         

                        I have not found a workaround to get Project Archiver/Archiver Project to work as advertised in Premiere Elements 9 through 12.

                        Adobe Premiere Elements 11 * Archiving projects

                         

                        Please review. If any questions or need clarification, please do not hesitate to ask.

                         

                        Thanks.

                         

                        ATR