5 Replies Latest reply on Aug 9, 2012 3:33 PM by the_wine_snob

    Please help with setup problems

    whtknt1066

      Hello, I'm new to Premier Elements 10 and I'm stuck at the project setup stage.  I'm reading a book on using Premier, attempted to experiment with it, and I've even contacted the Help Desk (they were no help).  I'm now hoping that this forum, which appears to be filled with knowledgeable people, can help me set up and get started on my new project.

       

      I used to do video production back when we were still shooting on tape (yes, that long ago!), and there was no "project setup"-in fact, there was no computer editing at all!  Now I want to make a few how-to videos both as a personal project and, more importantly, as a video resume.  The resume isn't for video work, by the way, but for a technology educator position at a place called Techshop. 

       

      My end goal is to have good-looking (i.e. decent resolution and size) video that I can both upload to Youtube and have as either a DVD-type video or even just a simple file that I can put on some removable storage media (probably a thumb drive or flash drive) and mail to my prospective employer.  As I understand it I will achieve this by editing together a final project and "sharing" it as two different formats-ok, saving in some format (unclear as to which) and uploading it to Youtube right from Premier (and then I need to figure out how to get it onto my channel). 

       

      Now we come to my issue.  I don't know what format to use!  And I don't know where to find out what I SHOULD be using.  Heck, I don't even know what aspect ratio Youtube uses.  My original idea was to output to 4:3, SD final product because A) I'm familiar with framing that kind of video and B) I figured it'd be viewable on any monitor, regular or widescreen, with no clipping or letterboxing.  This last was important because I wanted folks on Youtube to watch at full screen and get as much clarity and size as possible.

       

      I shot my original footage on a cheap Panasonic HC-V10 camera (I know, I need better, but this is what I have).  I THINK I shot most of it at 920p resolution, and I'm pretty sure it came out at 16:9 aspect ratio.  A little of the footage, stuff I don't really have time to reshoot, is at 1020p. 

       

      However, I think I really shot myself in the foot here-I didn't use Premier to grab the footage into my project!  I filled up my SD card, so I just moved the files off the SD card manually onto my hard drive and erased them from the SD card.  They are now all in .MP4 format, and I really can NOT go back and reshoot.  I'm learning, however, that Premier is VERY picky about what it'll work with and I need to somehow either import these files into my project, or convert them with another program (I have one called Wondershare that seems nice) and THEN import them. 

       

      All that having been said, here are my questions, and I hope if you'll forgive me if they're really noob or have already been discussed:

       

       

      1) Do I need to output in 4:3 aspect ratio?  Is it a good idea?  Or should I really, really just leave it alone at 16:9?

       

      2) Is there an easy(ish) way to either convert the aspect ratio INSIDE the project (remember, I don't want to output to Youtube or a normal file with letterboxing) or BEFORE I start editing?

       

      3) Considering the raw footage I'm starting with and the end product I want to end up with, how do I need to set up my Premier project when I create it?

       

      4) what is the best way to get these MP4's into my project? 

       

      This has been a very long post and I deeply appreciate you sticking with me and helping me out.  I hope I can do the same for you someday, and thanks in advance for the help!

       

      Andrew

        • 1. Re: Please help with setup problems
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

          According to the specs online, that camcorder shoots in AVCHD Lite at 1280x720 60p.

           

          When you start your project, select that as your project specs and you should be fine. Assuming Panasonic's online specs are correct.

           

          But you won't get 4:3 video. You'll get 16x9 video.

           

          This camcorder also shoots in 640x480 AVC video -- but I'd stay away from it if you plan to edit in Premiere Elements. It's not quite as neat a fit as the AVCHD Lite.

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          • 2. Re: Please help with setup problems
            John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

            First, you need to know what you are editing, so you may make a project that matches your video

            Read Bill Hunt on a file type as WRAPPER http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

            What is a CODEC... a Primer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/546811

            What CODEC is INSIDE that file? http://forums.adobe.com/thread/440037

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            Report back with the codec details of your file, use the programs below... a screen shot works well to SHOW people what you are doing

            http://forums.adobe.com/thread/592070?tstart=30

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            For PC http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/en or http://www.headbands.com/gspot/

            For Mac http://mediainspector.massanti.com/

             

            Then, help to get you started with your project

            Steve's Basic Training Tutorials http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

            -v10 http://www.amazon.com/Muvipix-com-Guide-Premiere-Elements-Version/dp/1466286377/

            -All http://www.amazon.com/Tricks-Adobe-Premiere-Elements-Muvipix-com/dp/1451529724/

            FAQ http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_faq

            TIPS http://forums.adobe.com/community/premiere_elements/premiere_elements_tips

            Another help site http://muvipix.com/ or http://muvipix.com/phpBB3/

            User Guide PDF http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/index.html

            Right click PDF link in the upper right corner and select to save to your hard drive

             

            You make a project to match your video, then do different codecs and/or sizes when you finish

            • 3. Re: Please help with setup problems
              the_wine_snob Level 9

              For a "quick start" with video editing in PrE, this list of some learning resources will be very useful: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/800455?tstart=0

               

              As Steve points out, shooting with the same camera setting will benefit you, and make editing much easier.

               

              Basically, and with one possible exception *, the Project Preset chosen will be one that matches the Source Footage, your AVCHD Lite footage, 100%, is the one to choose. Let that Source Footage dictate your choice. Then, when edited, you have many, many output (Share) settings for delivery.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

               

              * The one exception is where one is doing a SlideShow, with NO Video footage, only Still Images in the Project. Then, and only then, they can choose the desired output, and the Project Preset to match that. When done, they would Scale the Still Images to match, Import, edit and output. Otherwise, and whenever Video is involved, one wants the Project Preset to match the Source Footage.

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              • 4. Re: Please help with setup problems
                whsprague Level 4

                In a year of reading and taking online courses to learn PrE10, I have never found it clearly written or explained how "project presets" work.  Part of the problem seems to be overuse of the word "render", when it can mean different things at different times when you're making a video.

                 

                First, you can guess.  Then when you "Get Media" and it is from your primary camera or the most important clip, PrE10 will give you a message saying you guessed wrong and there is a mismatch.  Then it suggests one that works.

                 

                Second, the project preset is only for the real time rendering in the monitor.  If you get the right one, it will go more smoothly than getting the wrong one.  Either way, it still works.  Where clips are from another format or camera, a red line may appear above the timelline.  It tells you that the computer needs to take a break and "render" the project for smooth video viewing during your work.  You do that by pressing the Enter button.  (You may also get the red line when you add transitions and effects.  Essentially, the red line is a suggestion that the computer can't keep up in real time and needs you to take a break while it devotes full attention to the files.)

                 

                Third, when you make the final product, be it a file for a thumb drive or a YouTube upload, PrE10 "renders" all over again.  It takes the output settings ("presets") and re-reads every frame in your original source files and make an entirely new file.  ( The orginals are never altered.)  It uses all the markers you set in your project to do it.  The key thing that never seems to be clearly written is that the "Project Presets" seem to be entirely, or at least mostly, ignored. 

                 

                Regarding the above suggestions, I wandered around the internet and scanned books for months randomly getting used to video editing.  I finally picked PrE10 and paid for a thorough online course.  Within two weeks I started to get it. 

                 

                I didn't discover Steve and Muvipix until after I took a different online course that cost me $25.  Many say his free course is very good, if not better.  Try  http://http://muvipix.com/products.php?searchphrase=basic+training+premiere+elements&btn.x =22&btn.y=15

                 

                Bill

                • 5. Re: Please help with setup problems
                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                  The Project Preset does several things, but mostly forms a basis to handle all aspects of the Source Files used. This impacts playback, editing and then output. That is why it is important to choose a Project Preset, that is as close to a 100% match for the Source Files, as is possible.

                   

                  Second, the project preset is only for the real time rendering in the monitor.

                  You need to remove the word "only" from that statment, as it is but one part of what the Project Preset does.

                   

                  I also agree about the use of the term, "render." With Premiere, it means creating a proxy file, that is used specifically for playback, at the highest level. With some programs, however, it translates to being the operation of outputting a file from the Project. With Premiere Pro, that is called "Export." With Premiere Elements, it is now Share, though was once also called "Export" too. For more info on the process of Rendering (in Premiere), see this article: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/794719?tstart=30

                   

                  Third, when you make the final product, be it a file for a thumb drive or a YouTube upload, PrE10 "renders" all over again.  It takes the output settings ("presets") and re-reads every frame in your original source files and make an entirely new file.  ( The orginals are never altered.)  It uses all the markers you set in your project to do it.  The key thing that never seems to be clearly written is that the "Project Presets" seem to be entirely, or at least mostly, ignored.

                  The Project Preset does matter, even for the output. That determines how the Source Files are used. It also has a major impact on the editing in Premiere, and should not be discounted.

                   

                  You are correct that the original Source Files are not altered, but only used. The Project file, the PREL in PrE, is but an XML database of instructions and links. When one goes to output (Share in PrE now), that database of instructions is read, and the links followed. They tell PrE which data is used from the Source Files, and how to access them for their data. It tells PrE which Frames are used, and how those are processed. With one exception, the Render files are not used, beyond for smoothest playback. With DV-AVI output, they are used. In PrPro, one has a choice of whether to use those, or not. In most cases, with that program, it is better to not use them, but let PrPro do it all over again, through either the output (Export) module, or through Adobe Media Encoder (AME), which is now a stand-alone application, though it can be invoked from within PrPro too.

                   

                  Good luck, and glad that you liked Steve's Learning Series. I think that they are great.

                   

                  Hunt