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1. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Richard Groff Sep 24, 2012 1:02 PM (in response to Ceencha)That is VERY strange. Same thing happens here. I even tried changing the text variable to a character style applied to the paragraph style, but it still happens. I can only suggest a work-around: copy the "SACRED HEART" head from 861 to 862 and make its color "None". Then continue paging and see if it happens again. Weird!
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2. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Sep 24, 2012 1:42 PM (in response to Richard Groff)Thank you so much for your kind response, and especially taking the time to look into the problem. I find it very daunting and strange. I even tried adjusting some stuff with the variable (like changing "First on page" to "Last on page") but it doesn't help.
I am really hoping somebody can tell me how to fix this and why it's happening.
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3. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Sep 24, 2012 1:43 PM (in response to Ceencha)seems to be some minor file damage. See Remove minor corruption by exporting
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4. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Sep 24, 2012 2:08 PM (in response to P Spier)It worked !
It worked !
It worked !
THANKS A MILLION !!!
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5. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Sep 25, 2012 11:04 AM (in response to Ceencha)Well, the same error popped up in a different place, but the method did not fix it . . .
Are Variable texts "trouble" in general ?
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6. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Sep 25, 2012 11:10 AM (in response to Ceencha)Not usually...
Are you sure it's the same problem?
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7. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Sep 25, 2012 11:27 AM (in response to P Spier)Yes, it is the same thing as happened before, but this time in a different place.
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8. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Sep 25, 2012 1:26 PM (in response to Ceencha)I'll take a look again, if you send the link, but I'm not sure I can find a fix.
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9. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 3, 2012 10:12 AM (in response to P Spier)Here is my file. You will see that PAGE 973 does not "catch" the running header . . . can you help? thank you SO MUCH !!!
http://musicfortheliturgy.org/In_Design_Questions/After_Color_Pages_052.indd
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10. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 3, 2012 10:56 AM (in response to Ceencha)Desperately hoping somebody can (please) help me — or should I create a new topic for this? Does it "float" to the top? So folks will notice it?
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11. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 3, 2012 12:03 PM (in response to Ceencha)You have two styles with the same Running Headers Bare stylename. One is loose in the panel, the other is part of the All Else style group (folder). Your variable is set to look for the one in the style group. Also, the real Benediction heading on page 971 has Basic Paragraph applied, and the Benediction tag at the top of the page has the Funning Headers Bare style that is loose in the panel applied. If you want to pick up one or the other, you need to switch to the style in the style group.
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12. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 4, 2012 8:00 AM (in response to P Spier)I feel that you have solved my issue, and I cannot thank you enough.
Believe it or not, I am going to have to read and re-read your response maybe 20 times to fully understand — I have already read it several times.
But I feel that you are correct. THANKS SO MUCH !!!
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13. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 4, 2012 8:09 AM (in response to Ceencha)I went in and delete the "loose" one and replaced it with the style in "all else" — I always try to be careful when I create / rename / move / combine styles, but let me be honest and admit that I still find them VERY hard to use. They are so POWERFUL . . . but "powerful" can be DANGEROUS. Especially with projects like mine that take 1-2 years ...
THANKS AGAIN !!!!!!!!!!!
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14. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 4, 2012 8:21 AM (in response to Ceencha)Maybe I can explain it better.
Style names in ID are case sensitive, so Body Copy, body Copy, and body copy could all be used in one document, and ID would see them as three distinct styles. Searching for Body Copy would not find text styled with body copy. In a similar way, ID keeps track of styles in the various style groups, or style folders, that you create separately, and if you duplicate a stylename, say Heading, in a folder named Main Text Styles and also have a style named Heading in another folder named Sidebar Text Styles, ID sees those two styles as unique, even if they have exactly the same name. This is what happened to you.
At some point you made a second copy of your Running Headers Bare style, probably by right clicking it and choosing Copy to Group, and started applying it instead of the first copy. That, by itself is not a problem, but when you go to choose a style later that name appears twice in your style list, once at the top, and once under the group name, so it is very easy to pick the first listing instead of the second by mistake.
One solution would be to delete the copy that is not in the style group. ID will ask you what you want to use to replace it and you can pick the copy from the group. Just make sure your Variable definition calls for the correct style when you are done (the variable should update the defintion automatically if it used the style you deleted, but it doesn't hurt to check).
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15. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 4, 2012 8:23 AM (in response to Ceencha)Ah, I see you figured it out on your own while I was typing. Excellent.
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16. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 4, 2012 12:00 PM (in response to P Spier)I'm going back to the VARIABLE TEXT video in Lynda.com.
I cannot tell you how many times I've been over the same ground again and again and again.
I always, ALWAYS forget how to do this stuff.
Character Styles vs. Paragraph styles is something I'm beginning to think I'll never be comfortable with. Isn't that sad? Every day I use INDD and I am still not comfortable. I feel like such a moron.
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17. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 4, 2012 12:10 PM (in response to Ceencha)Here's what is so weird.
We normally use paragraph styles and character styles to EDIT THE WAY THE TEXT LOOKS.
But with the variable stuff, you assign a style (para or charac) that has no bearing on how the font will look, size, kerning, etc.
Later on, after you INSERT that variable text into a different box, that's when you can decide how it will look and display.
Not sure why my brain has such trouble with this stuff.
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18. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 4, 2012 12:13 PM (in response to Ceencha)Does it help to think of Character styles as "special cases" where you need to change the formatting of only part of the text in your paragraph? That's what they do.
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19. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 4, 2012 12:20 PM (in response to Ceencha)Ceencha wrote:
Here's what is so weird.
We normally use paragraph styles and character styles to EDIT THE WAY THE TEXT LOOKS.
But with the variable stuff, you assign a style (para or charac) that has no bearing on how the font will look, size, kerning, etc.
Later on, after you INSERT that variable text into a different box, that's when you can decide how it will look and display.
Not sure why my brain has such trouble with this stuff.
Well, that part IS confusing. As far as ID is concerned your variable is only a single character. That character takes on whatever formatting is applied to the paragraph containing it unless you override the paragraph style with a character style or "local formatting overrides." Becasue the variable itself is only a single character you can't apply one format to part of it, and another format to the rest, and it won't break across lines if the text going into it is too long for the space that's left on your line. A varible that has insufficient space will push all the letters in the text it picks up into the available space and they'll be on top of one another.
It's actually helpful that variables are styled independently of the text that drives them. You almost never want a running header, for example to have the same formatting as the actual header in the running text, only the actual same words.
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20. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
Ceencha Oct 4, 2012 3:20 PM (in response to P Spier)QUESTION: how come In Design does not allow one to use a CHARACTER style for a TOC ?
Why must it be Paragraph style only?
When creating complicated indices, this is not cool.
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21. Re: Why doesn't In Design "catch" my Variable Text?
P Spier Oct 4, 2012 3:27 PM (in response to Ceencha)I can't speak for the engineers, but I think generally a TOC uses headings from your text, not isolated words, so you want to capture the entire paragraph.
That said, I think there are some scripts floating around that can pick up a character style and build a TOC using cross-references.



