9 Replies Latest reply on Jun 8, 2013 6:19 PM by Big Photo Show

    DVD look horrible

    mfoley100

      I’ve used Photoshop Elements for years with a different product for burning DVDs. Yesterday, I updated to version 11. I downloaded a Premiere Elements trial as well to give it a go. Since the trial is basically useless since it has a watermark over everything, I purchased Premiere Elements to really give it a try. I spent all day trying to get a decent looking DVD from a slideshow created in Photoshop Elements. Unfortunately each time the DVD looks horrible on a HD TV. The menus are graining and the photos are low resolution. (The slideshow movie looks great on a PC or when streamed to the TV.) I’ve tried dozens of different outputs from Photoshop Elements (wmv, mp4, wide, normal, HD, DVD, etc), imported into Premiere Elements and burn disk; it looks terrible so I try again with different settings. I'm running on a Windows 7 PC and trying playback on a PS3 and Samsung Blueray player, but writting a DVD because I want to send it to folks that don't have a blueray player.

       

      I've been trying to get through to Adobe support all day, but the "technicians are busy, try again later" message is getting old and there isn't an email address to ask a question.

       

      I've seen some threads on blurry menus, which I also have, but most of those have fine movie results. I have neither. There is talk of HD vs SD menus, however when adding menus I don't see where which is which is defined. I've tried a number of different menus in Elements to no avail.

       

      Does anyone know the a combination for exporting a slideshow from Photoshop Elements into Photoshop Premiere and then burn a DVD which is of DVD quality or should I just go back to the old software that works? I was hoping the integration of using both products from Adobe would simplify things, but thus far that has proved to be the exact opposite.

        • 1. Re: DVD look horrible
          Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

          Are you trying to get a DVD slideshow out of Premiere Elements or Photoshop Elements? If Photoshop Elements, you probably ought to post your question to the Photoshop Elements forum.

           

          In any event, it's hard to tell what you're doing wrong without knowing exactly what you're doing.

           

          If you've got a Premiere Elements project set up for HD and you've sized your photos to no larger than 2000x1500 pixels in size before you add them to your timeline, you should get excellent results on a BluRay disc.

           

          DVDs are not high-definition. So if you're showing your DVDs on a hi-def TV, they can't possibly look as good as high-def video. However, if your DVD player and TV are set up correctly, they should still look pretty good.

           

          So you're definitely doing something wrong somewhere. But without knowing what you're doing, it's hard to say where.

          • 2. Re: DVD look horrible
            mfoley100 Level 1

            Thanks for the reply Steve.

             

             

             

            I’ve created a slide show in Photoshop Elements and export it. That works fine.

             

             

             

            I then import that movie into Premiere Elements to add menus and create a DVD; thus selecting this forum.

             

             

             

            I fully understand a blueray disk at HD resolution will look better than a DVD. However, this video is to be sent to someone without a blueray player so I need to create a DVD. I expect the DVD to look as good as the movie streamed to the TV when the movie was rendered in DVD resolution and the menus to be legible. I.e. DVD – NTSC (720x480, 6000kbps, 29.97 frames/s) selection from Photoshop Elements. The description of that setting states: “This profile is required if you want to burn this movie file to a DVD using Adobe Premiere Elements for viewing in North America, Central America or Japan (NTSC)” which is what I want to do, so I gave that setting a go. I’ve previously done this using other DVD rendering software to create the DVD from movies made from previous version of Photoshop Elements and they looked fine.

             

             

             

            So, I first created a slideshow in Photoshop Elements and export using the setting above. (When this didn’t work, I tried some other output formats as well…) This creates a .wmv file just under 7 minutes long that plays fine on my Windows 7 PC.

             

             

             

            After the file renders, I create a new Premiere Elements project. I add the movie from above, add menus from one of the templates (I’ve read in some other threads to ensure to use SD menus for a DVD. How does one know which are HD and which are SD? The “Pan and Zoom” theme is labeled HD, but none of the others are labeled. Are all the others SD?), add some scene markers with “Motion Menu Button” checked, change the color of the font, I import an image for the background and a song to play on the menu, save the project then render it to disk using “Publish+Share”.  From the disk options, I choose: DVD, burn to Disk, I enter “Summer_2012” for the Disk Name, 1 copy, NTSC_Widescreen_Dolby DVD” and check the Fit Contents to available space box. I.e. all the defaults except the name I enter. (I have also tried NTSC_Dolby DVD, i.e. not widescreen, without success as well.)

             

             

             

            After the program is doing churning and burning, I take the disk to a PS3 to view the DVD. (I also tried a Samsung BD player to no avail.) The menus are so blurry they are hardly readable. Then I watch the slide show and the pictures are very grainy. The sound is fine. I stop playback and look at the movie created in step 1 above and exported from Photoshop Elements by streaming it from my PC and it looks great. Thus, it appears that resolution is getting “lost” in the Premiere Elements processing.

             

             

             

            I spent multiple hours tonight repeating all of this again to carefully record the steps above to ensure they were accurate and unfortunately obtained the same poor results. From what I can tell, I’m following the software instructions to the letter…

             

             

             

            I thought your question/suggestion below to simply write the disk from Photoshop Elements was a good suggestion. So I tried burning a DVD straight from Photoshop Elements. I select “Output…, Check “DVD, NTSC” and hit OK. I’m asked for a file name which I provided and hit OK again. Once the movie is rendered, it is simply imported into Premiere Elements and I’m basically right back where I started. Perhaps it will write a video CD, but I didn’t try that. Perhaps tomorrow…

            • 3. Re: DVD look horrible
              Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

              You really can't create a slideshow in Photoshop Elements.

               

              If you mean you created your slideshow in the Organizer, you should select the option to Export to Premiere Elements to port the slideshow over to a Premiere Elements project.

               

              Selecting the option to save it as a WMV and then bringing the WMV into Premiere Elements will very much give you a reduced quality DVD.

               

              As for the menus being blurry -- I don't know what to tell you. If your DVD player has upscaling and/or your HDTV is set to properly interpret standard def DVDs, you should still get very good results. So blurry they're unreadable? Something is definitely wrong somewhere. But I don't have enough information about your workflow to know what. Sorry I can't be of more help.

              • 4. Re: DVD look horrible
                mfoley100 Level 1

                OK. Thanks for replying.

                 

                 

                 

                I’ll try again tonight.

                • 5. Re: DVD look horrible
                  VDOSurfer Level 3

                  Create an NTSC DV project in PrE and then bring in the slideshow exported from Organizer. Since your output is going to be a DVD, the PRE project setting should be NTSC DV. Try out Standard and Widescreen outputs to see which one suits your quality requirements better. I suggest you burn to a folder before utilizing a disc for this.

                  • 6. Re: DVD look horrible
                    bbloughridge

                    I'm having the same exact problem.  Have you found a solution?  I've created a movie in Pre. 11 and the lettering is very grainy and the video isn't that great either after being burned to a DVD and viewed on the TV.   Just like yours it looks fine on the computer but once burned it really lost a lot of quality.  I tried all the various setting too.  HELP

                    • 7. Re: DVD look horrible
                      mfoley100 Level 1

                      I have not found a solution. I gave up as I tried every option and suggestion (which took hours...) and never got a satisfactory result. My conclusion is that the software is of poor quality and I wasted a lot of time and some money on it.

                       

                      • 8. Re: DVD look horrible
                        bbloughridge Level 1

                        Hello,

                         

                        I have been getting copied on these e-mails/posts and have finally had

                        time to work through the posted solutions.  I had been experiencing the

                        same issues as described.  I am very new to Adobe Premiere Elements 11.  It

                        seems so easy to use that I mistakenly just jumped in and made a video.

                        That's when I got the fuzzy text outputs etc.  I purchased a copy of  " Adobe

                        Premiere Elements 11 - Classroom in a Book, The Official Training Workbook

                        from Adobe Systems" and after working through the posted solutions and

                        reading the first two chapters I have resolved the issues I was having.

                        Most of them were caused by my ignorance.  One however was caused by a

                        default setting that Premiere uses.  When you open a new project, Premiere

                        "simply uses the project setting preset from the previous project".  Or it

                        uses the settings best suited to the first clip imported to the project.

                        If you are adding multiple video types, they may not all be compatible with

                        the setting for either the previous project or with the settings for the

                        first clip added.  The information contained in the first two

                        chapters of the aforementioned book really explains this quite well.

                        I highly recommend it to any new users.  It, along with all of the posts,

                        really helped me.

                         

                        Many thanks, Barb

                        • 9. Re: DVD look horrible
                          Big Photo Show

                          I have the same issue!  Now, I am angry because it is obvious that Adobe is not going to address the two major issues I have.  The first is that there is no 720p preset for making AVCHD discs and the second is that regular DVDs look grainy and the text below each menu is illegible! 

                           

                          This is what I have tried to make better copy dvds.  I've gone into settings and I've moved the marker so that rather than "most video" fits, I selected "best quality".  However, it doesn't render properly.  The menus you select when creating your DVD does not come close to the garbage you see on the television screen.

                           

                          So, here's MY solution.  There are pros and cons to it, so get ready:

                           

                          #1.  I create my videos via Premiere Elements 11.

                          #2.  I render it as an MP4, 720p and go into the options to increase the bitrate to the highest

                          #3.  I then downloaded this program called AVS Video Converter.

                          #4.  I used that program and selected a dvd menu and render my video as a DVD on BEST SETTING, and guess what?  The DVD best setting makes is very comparable to the Elements 11 (blu-ray) render setting, which means that even the blu-ray rendering for Elements 11 is crappy.  But, of course it is considering my videos are all 720p, but I cannot create a 720p blu-ray DVD.

                           

                          But, here's the downside with AVS video converter.  When you select your menus, you select a photo for each menu.  And, the only photo you can select is the first frame of each video. And, with my videos, the first frame is a black transition.  If you try to select a different frame, THAT'S where the video will start.

                           

                          Below is my complaint to them and the response I received:

                           

                          •   SupportTeamAVS4YOU 3 weeks ago    

                            As far as we understand you would like to change the pictures created for chapters. Regret to inform you but the chapter's thumbnail is the first frame of this chapter and cannot be changed.

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                              azphotoshow 1 month ago    

                            And, NO, your website does NOT provide instructions for this!

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                              azphotoshow 1 month ago    

                            How do I CHANGE the thumbnail preview to a specific scene in each chapter? Because if you just mark each chapter, you're only going to thumbnail a black screen if each chapter begins with a black screen. this is stupid!

                             

                           

                          So, while the RENDERING and DVD authoring blows Adobe Elements 11 out of the water, you won't be able to have real thumbnails.