10 Replies Latest reply on Oct 22, 2012 6:10 PM by josephs51576386

    Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5

    MultiDiasporic

      Hi.

       

      I have Atomos Ninja Files, ProRes 220MB, that I would like to edit in PPro 5.5.

       

      Ideally, I would like to know how to remove the 2:3/3:2 pulldown and edit the files as 24p (23.976p), instead of the 29.97i that the files show up as.

       

      The files import easily, and I've created a new sequence from one of the clips.

       

      When I place the files on the Timeline and play them there's interlaced/lines that run through the clips.

       

      I go to Modify --> Interpret Footage. Choosing No Fields/Progressive makes the lines worse. Selecting Upper Fields removes the lines.

       

      Is this the best way to edit these files?  Threads I've read suggested choosing No Fields/Progressive but, that's not working for me.

       

      Is there something I'm missing?

       

      Thanks for any light someone can shed on this for me.

        • 1. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
          josephs51576386 Level 3

          What are your sequence settings?

           

          What is the field order of the footage to start with? From what I've read it sounds like you're saying it's progressive but then you said "Chosing No Fields makes it worse" which makes it sound like you made it progressive by using the "modify" feature. Or like you were talking about your sequence settings so I just wanted to clarify this a bit.

           

          Is your program monitor set to display first field, second field or both fields?

          • 2. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
            MultiDiasporic Level 1

            Hi.

             

            The Sequence is made from one of the Clips - I think its: 1920 x 1080, Square Pixels, 29.97fps. When I look at the settings in Modify --> Interpret Footage, the option is set to None. When I set the field to Upper the lines disappear. So, does this mean that the footage is read as progressive when I select this option?

             

            I'll load the project so I can answer your other questions without giving any misinformation.

             

            Thanks!

            • 3. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
              MultiDiasporic Level 1

              The Sequence created from one of the Clips: Sequence, 1920 x 1080 (1.0), length of clip, 29.97 fps, 48000Hz - Stereo.

               

              Clip Defaults: Modify --> Interpret Footage Dialogue Box:

               

              Frame Rate-Use Frame Rate from file: 29.97 selected.

               

              Pixel Aspect Ratio: Use Pixel Aspect Ratio from file: Square Pixels (1.0)

               

              Field Order: Use Field Order from File: Fields (unknown dominance)

               

              Alpha Channel: no option selected.

               

              Program Monitor: Field Options are greyed out.

               

              With this default the file has lines when played back.

              • 4. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                josephs51576386 Level 3

                Are you on PC or MAC?

                • 6. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                  josephs51576386 Level 3

                  Please download and install media info and set the view to tree and then post the info on this site please.

                  http://download.cnet.com/MediaInfo/3000-2169_4-10413046.html

                   

                  If you make it progressive and then create a progressive 1920x1080 sequence and it doesn't appear correct then make it upper and create a 1920x1080 upper field first seqeucne and check if it appears correct. I'm almost positive it can't be lower field first because generally with HD footage it's always upper or progressive. However since the field order is reading as unknown it makes me suspect it might be PsF footage. PsF is footage which is stored as interlaced footage which is why it appears as being interlaced even though it's actually PsF which instead of normal interlaced content is stored with both fields. Here is a article about PsF footage.

                   

                  http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/atepper/story/psf8217s_missing_workflow_part_7_adob e_premiere_pro_cs5.5.x/

                  http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/atepper/story/psf8217s_missing_workflow_part_5_atom os_hires_a_stripper/

                  • 7. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                    MultiDiasporic Level 1

                    Here's that info:

                     

                    General
                    Complete name                            : M:\Card 1\SCENE001\SHOT001\TAKE001\00000.MOV
                    Format                                   : MPEG-4
                    Format profile                           : QuickTime
                    Codec ID                                 : qt 
                    File size                                : 1.40 GiB
                    Duration                                 : 55s 162ms
                    Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable
                    Overall bit rate                         : 219 Mbps
                    Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Writing library                          : Apple QuickTime

                    Video
                    ID                                       : 2
                    Format                                   : ProRes
                    Format version                           : Version 0
                    Format profile                           : High
                    Codec ID                                 : apch
                    Duration                                 : 55s 88ms
                    Bit rate mode                            : Variable
                    Bit rate                                 : 216 Mbps
                    Width                                    : 1 888 pixels
                    Original width                           : 1 920 pixels
                    Height                                   : 1 062 pixels
                    Original height                          : 1 080 pixels
                    Display aspect ratio                     : 16:9
                    Frame rate mode                          : Constant
                    Frame rate                               : 29.970 fps
                    Color space                              : YUV
                    Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:2
                    Scan type                                : Interlaced
                    Scan order                               : Top Field First
                    Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 3.591
                    Stream size                              : 1.38 GiB (99%)
                    Writing library                          : atms
                    Language                                 : English
                    Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Color primaries                          : BT.709
                    Transfer characteristics                 : BT.709
                    Matrix coefficients                      : BT.709

                    Audio
                    ID                                       : 1
                    Format                                   : PCM
                    Format settings, Endianness              : Little
                    Format settings, Sign                    : Signed
                    Codec ID                                 : sowt
                    Duration                                 : 55s 162ms
                    Bit rate mode                            : Constant
                    Bit rate                                 : 768 Kbps
                    Channel(s)                               : 4 channels
                    Sampling rate                            : 48.0 KHz
                    Bit depth                                : 16 bits
                    Stream size                              : 5.05 MiB (0%)
                    Language                                 : English
                    Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40

                    Menu
                    ID                                       : 3
                    Duration                                 : 55s 162ms
                    Language                                 : English
                    Encoded date                             : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40
                    Tagged date                              : UTC 2012-10-20 13:20:40

                     

                     

                    I'll do what you suggested now.

                     

                    Thanks!

                    • 8. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                      josephs51576386 Level 3

                      The footage is indeed PsF I just found in this article here that your recording device actually realeased a software program called "stripper" to fix the issue you're running into.

                      http://provideocoalition.com/index.php/atepper/story/psf8217s_missing_workflow_part_5_atom os_hires_a_stripper/

                      http://www.atomos.com/news/V1_052011.html

                       

                      You can actualy just go ahead and edit it as upper however I'd recommend getting the "stripper 1.0" program atomos has realeased and fix the footage using their special program before editing any further since they realeased this tool specifically to fix the PsF issue. This tool will allow you to make it true progressive footage. As you can see in this picture/ the link to the atomos site I posted here they actually metion that this software is made exactly to fix the problem you're having. They even mention the exact model you're using.

                      Ninja.PNG

                      • 9. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                        MultiDiasporic Level 1

                        Thanks for the info. I can't find Atomos Stripper 1.0 either through google, or their site, so it's probably vaporware or hasn't been released yet. I guess I'll just edit it using upper field.

                         

                        Thanks for the help!!!!

                        • 10. Re: Editing Atomos Ninja Files in PPro 5.5
                          josephs51576386 Level 3

                          No problem, I'm guessing Atomos possibly hasn't realeased it yet then. I'd recommend contacting their customer support and checking though when you get the chance. It's sorta silly the software isn't already easy to find considering it's somewhat necessary to have.

                          http://www.atomos.com/contact/

                           

                          I just searched the net myself quite a bit and couldn't find the software anywhere, kinda funny atomos did that, considering they promised the software fix over a year ago.