13 Replies Latest reply: Nov 9, 2012 9:22 AM by Stan Jones RSS

    CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage

    GeoffVane Community Member

      Another nice feature of Encore:

       

      No 16:9 DVD can be made with 1050 square pixel footage.

      The aspect keeps flipping wrong.

      Hacking the auto transcode profile and putting it on 16:9 doesn't do a thing.

       

      I so had it with Encore.

      There is ALWAYS something.

      What a crap.

        • 1. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
          SAFEHARBOR11 Community Member

          Do you mean 1080i 50? Never ran into this issue with 1080i 29.97, maybe it is a PAL bug but then we would see the same complaint from others, which we're not seeing on the forums.

           

          Could be something in the workflow, but really I'm not as big fan of dynamic link - like to have more control over parameters. Have you tried creating the "MPEG-2 for DVD" files directly from Premiere using Adobe Media Encoder. You can set the correct parameters and import the results into Encore, which should then leave those files alone and NOT do any transcoding of the video.

           

          Also, where are you seeing the aspect being flipped - in Encore, or the burned disc? Please let us know the steps taken in your workflow so we can get this resolved.

           

          Thanks

           

          Jeff Pulera

          Safe Harbor Computers

          • 2. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
            GeoffVane Community Member

            PAL DV Square Pixel. 1050 x 576

             

            I can't use dynamic link: it always crashes in all applications.

            I won't use dynamic link for Encore: all sorts of auto functions often screw up the field quality.

             

            When I encode, the aspect is stretched way too wide.

            Both on screen and burned result.

            Before encoding, everything looks fine.

             

            All possible interpretation settings, provided to solve this, don't work.

             

            I have to render anamorphic or I can't create a DVD.

            I used Premiere to convert stuff. Sometimes I'll get "Don't transcode" but sometimes it just won't say that, no matter what you try.

            • 3. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
              SAFEHARBOR11 Community Member

              Hi Geoff,

               

              Well now it is making more sense. Where are you getting 1050x576 source material? If shooting in SD wide, it ought to be 720x576 (anamorphic) out of the camera.

               

              PAL DVD is always 720x576 (anamorphic for widescreen), so I can see where things are going to get distorted starting with a square pixel source. What is the Sequence setting in Premiere? I would think that if you put the 1050x576 video into a DV PAL Widescreen Sequence, then it would fill the screen and any subsequent exports would then keep the correct aspect.

               

              So if the project is 1050x576, I think that would be the core of the issue, but you have not really shared the workflow yet so I don't know exactly the steps you are using

               

              Jeff Pulera

              Safe Harbor Computers

              • 4. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                GeoffVane Community Member

                1050 x 576 is the square pixel standard.

                Encore should be able to handle that.

                Why make interpret footage options if it ain't possible to work with square pixel?

                • 5. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                  SAFEHARBOR11 Community Member

                  Hi Geoff,

                   

                  I'm trying to be helpful, but could really use more info. As discussed, if you shot this on tape as widescreen SD, as far as I know it must have originated as anamorphic footage, which would make it 720x576. So I ask once more, where in the process did the footage become 1050x576? Need the workflow, or you're on your own...

                   

                  Thanks

                   

                  Jeff

                  • 6. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                    Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                    When I encode, the aspect is stretched way too wide.

                    Both on screen and burned result.

                    It looks okay to me when I brought a sample in from AE. Are you sure you are applyig the custom transcode settings in encore?

                     

                    I did not burn a disk, but you seem to say that it should look wrong in the preview.

                    • 7. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                      JSS1138 CommunityMVP

                      1050 x 576 is the square pixel standard.

                      Encore should be able to handle that.

                       

                      The problem is that the DVD specification itself can't handle that.  Even Hollywood can't create such a DVD.  You need 720 x 576 with a 1.4 PAR.

                       

                       

                      Why make interpret footage options if it ain't possible to work with square pixel?

                       

                      Because sometimes Encore doesn't get the memo that your 720 x 576 footage should have the widescreen PAR instead of the normal PAR.  Interpret Footage forces that.  But the input still needs to be 720 x 576.

                      • 8. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                        GeoffVane Community Member

                        I know a DVD is always 720. For 16:9 and 4:3.

                         

                        I don't understand your explanation about forced PARs: if my streams are always 720 then there is no need for PAR forcing options.

                        • 9. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                          Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                          But the input still needs to be 720 x 576.

                          The input doesn't need to be dvd spec; just the transcode that encore builds with. My issue here (and I haven't built to test it) is that my 1050x576 sample from AE was a) seen by encore as square pixel (it didn't need an interpret option) and b) a custom preset resulted in encore created the correct 720x576 video for output.

                          • 10. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                            GeoffVane Community Member

                            I tried all interpret settings and none were rendered correct after encoding.

                            • 11. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                              Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                               

                              I tried all interpret settings and none were rendered correct after encoding.

                               

                              That is only one part of the equation. And, Encore interprets my 1050x576 (correctly) as square pixels. If it does not see yours as square, it makes me wonder whether yours are in fact correct.

                               

                              Also, you can, for example, create a custom preset in Encore, but never apply the preset to the transcode setting for that clip. So the original could be correct, and it would still transcode wrong.

                               

                              I would use mediainfo to look at your original and the transcode result from Encore (and the build version for that matter).

                              • 12. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                                GeoffVane Community Member

                                If it was just a hobby, you could question that.

                                Since I've been creating nothing but graphics since '97, you may assume I know how to render 1050 x 576 square pixel.

                                It's not that hard to select the right preset in AE.

                                 

                                Everything looks fine and corrected before encoding.

                                The encoding screws things up.

                                Hacking the automatic preset and changing it into something else, doesn't really help.

                                Plus if it would work, the automatic calculation for optimum disc filling will be gone.

                                 

                                I'll just rerender everything each time to anamorphic 720 as a workaround.

                                It's just unbelievable that Adobe programs function this poorly: version after version.

                                Only Photoshop and Lightroom are well made.

                                The rest is super shaky.

                                • 13. Re: CS6 Encore - No 16:9 with 1050 square pixel footage
                                  Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                  I'm not so much questioning your expertise as not understanding why my 1050x576 Square sample from AE is seen by Encore as square (and therefore interpret footage is not relevant), and yours is apparently not.

                                   

                                   

                                  Hacking the automatic preset and changing it into something else, doesn't really help.

                                  Plus if it would work, the automatic calculation for optimum disc filling will be gone.

                                  Using a  custom preset does help, because it transcodes a DVD spec outcome. But no, you cannot apply such a preset and also use the Encore automatic setting.