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    Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6

    LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

      how can i active this effect?

      ive seen some videos in cs4 with live photoshop 3d and its beautiful

      peapole that draw camion, cube, car etc than import in AE and active this effect to work with a full 3d layer in AE U_U how can i do this?

      please help me

        • 1. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
          Todd_Kopriva Level 8

          The feature to import 3D object layers from Photoshop as live 3D objects is not in After Effects CS6.

          • 2. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
            LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

            so how can i import 3d object in AE?

            thanks

            • 3. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
              Mylenium Most Valuable Participant

              You need plug-ins like Video CoPilot Element 3D or Zaxwerks Invigorator.

               

              Mylenium

              • 4. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

                which one is better?

                • 5. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  Other than the fact that they can both bring in 3d models, they are quite different beasts.

                  One thing Element has going for it is the render speed.

                  As for which is better, it depends on what you're hoping to use it for. Look at what each of them can do and make a decision based on the kind of work you do.

                  • 6. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                    Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    Zax has a free demo. I don't recall if Element does.

                    • 7. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                      LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

                      damn... what are the principal differences between them?

                      • 8. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                        praguian Level 1

                        Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                         

                        The feature to import 3D object layers from Photoshop as live 3D objects is not in After Effects CS6.

                        So let me get this straight: I see all these tutorials about how easy it is to import, say, a .3ds model into AE using PhotoShop as a middleman, yet the Live PhotoShop 3D option isn't available in CS6? And I have to pay for some 3rd party plugin to achieve the import?

                         

                        Color me disappointed. Importing a simple 3D model should be core functionality of a visual effects editor.

                        • 9. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                          Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                          > Importing a simple 3D model should be core functionality of a visual effects editor.

                           

                          That's why After Effects CC (12.0) and later come with Cinema 4D (a full 3D application) in the package.

                          • 10. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                            praguian Level 1

                            Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                             

                            > Importing a simple 3D model should be core functionality of a visual effects editor.

                             

                            That's why After Effects CC (12.0) and later come with Cinema 4D (a full 3D application) in the package.

                            That doesn't explain why you'd remove previous functionality from CS6 in the interim. CC isn't an option for everyone.

                            • 11. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                              Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                              Photoshop radically changed how they handled 3D at a time in our development cycle when there was not enough time left for us to adapt, so we had to disable the functionality in After Effects to import 3D layers from Photoshop. We decided after that that we should spend our efforts on integrating with a real 3D application that many of our customers used (Cinema 4D) rather than an application that had a much more limited and idiosyncratic 3D feature set that few people used (Photoshop).

                               

                              So, we now have tight integratin with Cinema 4D and include Cinema 4D with After Effects.

                              • 12. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                praguian Level 1

                                Fair enough. So is there a free way to import 3D models to AE CS6? Not so sound cheap, but I don't control my budget.

                                • 13. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                  LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

                                  In After Effects CC there is Cinema 4D included?

                                  Really???

                                  • 15. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                    LeeXiaoLoong Level 1

                                    The FULL version of Cinema 4D?

                                    • 16. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                      Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                      Read the page that I pointed to. It has the details.

                                      • 17. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                        praguian Level 1

                                        Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                         

                                        Read the page that I pointed to. It has the details.

                                        It doesn't say anything about a free way to import 3D models into AE CS6...

                                        • 18. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                          Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                          I was responding to Lee.

                                          • 19. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                            praguian Level 1

                                            Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                             

                                            I was responding to Lee.

                                            I know. That was my way of asking you to respond to me.

                                            • 20. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                              Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                              You got your answer about how to import 3D items into After Effects CS6 in posts 3-6.

                                              • 21. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                praguian Level 1

                                                Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                                 

                                                You got your answer about how to import 3D items into After Effects CS6 in posts 3-6.

                                                So the answer is "no." Disappointing.

                                                • 22. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                  Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                                  Yes, it was disappointing. That is why we spent a lot of resources to fix it for the current version.

                                                  • 23. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                    praguian Level 1

                                                    Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Yes, it was disappointing. That is why we spent a lot of resources to fix it for the current version.

                                                    Noted, but it's not like CS6 is 20 years old. I feel a little strongarmed as a CS6 user, to be honest with you.

                                                    • 24. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                      Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                                      I'm confused. Why do you feel strong-armed? Are you saying that you expect us to go back to a previous version and add new features to it, as opposed to adding new features to the current and future versions?

                                                      • 25. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                        praguian Level 1

                                                        Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                                         

                                                        I'm confused. Why do you feel strong-armed? Are you saying that you expect us to go back to a previous version and add new features to it, as opposed to adding new features to the current and future versions?

                                                        I would expect the Creative Suite to be able to do things in one version that it could already do in previous versions, like importing 3D models via PhotoShop to AE, instead of going backward in terms of functional capability.

                                                        • 26. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                          Todd_Kopriva Level 8

                                                          I explained the reason. There is no strong-arming. What, exactly, would you have had us do under the circumstances, given that the changes to Photoshop 3D happened too late for us to accommodate them?

                                                           

                                                          Also, have you actually used this feature in a previous version? It was lousy. It was slow, the functionality was very limited, and it crashed a lot.

                                                           

                                                          Now, with integration with a real 3D application, current users are much better off. I do not hear anyone who has used both features saying that they wished that we had stuck with Photoshop 3D and not Cinema 4D integration.

                                                          • 27. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                            Dave LaRonde Level 6

                                                            Here's an analogy: Baskin-Robbins withdraws Sauerkraut ice cream from its list of 31 flavors, acknowledging it was a bad idea from the beginning.

                                                             

                                                            Likewise, Adobe withdraws 3D from Photoshop, acknowledging it was a bad idea from the beginning.

                                                             

                                                            See the paralell?  A BAD IDEA.  Why would you want to perpetuate a bad idea? 

                                                             

                                                            Maybe you have a thing for Sauerkraut ice cream.....

                                                            • 28. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                              praguian Level 1

                                                              Todd_Kopriva wrote:

                                                               

                                                              What, exactly, would you have had us do under the circumstances, given that the changes to Photoshop 3D happened too late for us to accommodate them?

                                                              I would have expected different product teams under the CS umbrella to be more coordinated, to be honest. I am surprised you seem so disparate, given how hands-on and approachable you are with your customer base (us).

                                                              • 29. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                praguian Level 1

                                                                Dave LaRonde wrote:

                                                                 

                                                                Likewise, Adobe withdraws 3D from Photoshop, acknowledging it was a bad idea from the beginning.

                                                                 

                                                                See the paralell?  A BAD IDEA.  Why would you want to perpetuate a bad idea?

                                                                Your analogy is broken. PhotoShop 3D wasn't an idea, it was a tool. A bad tool. But importing 3D models to AE was "the idea," and not a bad one at all. An essential one, if you ask me.

                                                                 

                                                                So you can acknowledge that 3D in PhotoShop was a faulty tool, but you shouldn't take away that tool without replacing it with a better one so we can still fulfill the idea of importing 3D models to AE.

                                                                 

                                                                The fact that my only options now seem to be ones for which I have to pay leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

                                                                • 30. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                  Rick Gerard Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                  The replacement is C4D... a much better tool, even the LTE version that comes with AE now.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                    Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                                                    3D in Photoshop is not necessarily a bad idea. The Photoshop team continues to develop 3D features. But it's important to remember that Photoshop has many different uses, and the 3D capabilities they added are not necessarily targeted at After Effects users and the work that they do.

                                                                     

                                                                    The integration of Photoshop 3D into After Effects is very difficult technically; Todd has already outlined the challenges and limitations. This is not a case of the After Effects team and Photoshop team not working together, it's a matter of whether the two teams are working towards the same goals or not. Just as the Photoshop team listened to their users about what 3D functionality would benefit them, we on the After Effects team have been listening to what 3D functionality our users want. The message we have received is their desire for integration with the 3D tools they already use, one of the most popular of which is Cinema 4D.

                                                                     

                                                                    If more After Effects users tell us that they want to use Photoshop's 3D models in After Effects, we will listen to that. Please do file a feature request if that's something you want.

                                                                     

                                                                    (Similarly, I would ask if you see opportunities from the Photoshop side to improve your workflow with After Effects, that you file a feature request for the Photoshop team.)

                                                                     

                                                                    I also want to point out that every feature in any application incurs a maintenance cost. Is it worth our time to continue to test and fix bugs for a feature, or can we spend that effort elsewhere? As we improve After Effects, we continually evaluate whether or not existing features are being used and are valuable to our users. Photoshop 3D is not the first time we have removed functionality because there was little support for it from our users. These are difficult decisions because the usage rate is rarely zero, but the net effect of removing old, crusty technology in favor of better developed workflows is worth the cost, in our opinion.

                                                                     

                                                                    Ultimately, you need to chose a set of tools that works for you. We understand that. There are other ways of getting 3D renders into After Effects CS6; if you need help defining a workflow I'm confident the community on this forum can give you some tips.

                                                                    • 32. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                      praguian Level 1

                                                                      Rick Gerard wrote:

                                                                       

                                                                      The replacement is C4D... a much better tool, even the LTE version that comes with AE now.

                                                                      I'm sure it is. You realize, I assume, that you're talking about a ~$3,500 product from what I can tell?

                                                                      • 33. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                        praguian Level 1

                                                                        Tim Kurkoski wrote:

                                                                         

                                                                        If more After Effects users tell us that they want to use Photoshop's 3D models in After Effects, we will listen to that. Please do file a feature request if that's something you want.

                                                                        Again, I do not care about the tool itself (which is what PS is in this case). I simply want a way to take a 3D model (such as a .3ds file) and import it to AE.

                                                                         

                                                                        All the tutorials I've found on this topic use the Live PhotoShop 3D feature in pre-CS6 versions of AE. Otherwise they use C4D in AE CC.

                                                                         

                                                                        Surely you realize the simple issue this creates: neither solution works for CS6 users. Hence, why I feel like such users are left in the cold when it comes to importing 3D.

                                                                         

                                                                        Am I crazy? What am I missing about this simple issue? Pre-CS6 users didn't have to pay extra to import 3D; CC users don't have to pay extra to import 3D; why should I?

                                                                        • 34. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                          Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                                                          rhannebaum wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          Surely you realize the simple issue this creates: neither solution works for CS6 users. Hence, why I feel like such users are left in the cold when it comes to importing 3D.

                                                                           

                                                                          Am I crazy? What am I missing about this simple issue? Pre-CS6 users didn't have to pay extra to import 3D; CC users don't have to pay extra to import 3D; why should I?

                                                                           

                                                                           

                                                                          After Effects (any version) doesn't have the capability to directly import and use 3D model files, if that's what you desire. Plug-ins for After Effects CS6 like Video Copilot's Element 3D, AtomKraft, and Zaxwerks ProAnimator and 3D Invigorator allow you to work with 3D files. Cinema 4D and 3DS Max have integrated workflows with After Effects CS6 that exchange their 3D data with After Effects.

                                                                           

                                                                          Outside of this, a common workflow is to render your 3D model to a sequence file, and then to import that into After Effects. This works regardless of which 3D modeling application or which version of After Effects you are using. Here's some information and links to resources:

                                                                          http://helpx.adobe.com/en/after-effects/using/preparing-importing-3d-image-files.html#impo rting_and_using_3d_files_from_other_applications

                                                                           

                                                                          There's lots of information available about workflows between 3D modeling applications and After Effects that don't involve Photoshop. If you're having trouble finding what you need, I recommend creating a new thread with specific information about what applications you're using and what you're trying to accomplish.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                            praguian Level 1

                                                                            Tim Kurkoski wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            After Effects (any version) doesn't have the capability to directly import and use 3D model files

                                                                             

                                                                            I didn't say anything about needing to directly import. This statement of mine is key to understanding where I'm coming from:

                                                                             

                                                                            rhannebaum wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            Pre-CS6 users didn't have to pay extra to import 3D; CC users don't have to pay extra to import 3D; why should I?

                                                                             

                                                                            Let's say I have a .3ds file. Pre-CS6, I could use the PhotoShop workaround to get that 3D model in AE, where I could manipulate it in true 3D space. In AE CC, this can be done with C4D I surmise.

                                                                             

                                                                            In CS6, what I'm hearing is the only way to accomplish this is via some paid 3rd party solution. Is that not the case? An image sequence would not get me desired results.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                              Tim Kurkoski Adobe Employee

                                                                              I think we're on the same page. Here's what I'm hearing: you're upset that you're using a version of After Effects that does not provide native functionality to import a live 3D model through Photoshop or another intermediary, which existed in a prior version, and that to achieve such functionality you will need to upgrade After Effects or buy a plug-in.

                                                                               

                                                                              Since the funcitonality you want doesn't exist, my goal has been to tell you about alternative workflows that you can use in After Effects CS6. Have I been successful in that specific regard? Please mind that I can't judge which workflow is right for you; none of my suggestions may be. This is why I've suggested you should start a new thread that's specific to what you're trying to accomplish.

                                                                               

                                                                              What is your goal? How can this community help you from here?

                                                                              • 37. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                                praguian Level 1

                                                                                Sorry Tim, I don't have a specific goal I'm trying to achieve. I was playing around with 3D modeling to prepare for future projects, which of course now may not happen if I can't import and truly manipulate 3D objects in 3D space in AE.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Like I said: I'm just disappointed in this unexpected roadblock for my ideas for future projects.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                                  Szalam Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                                                                  rhannebaum wrote:

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Sorry Tim, I don't have a specific goal I'm trying to achieve. I was playing around with 3D modeling to prepare for future projects, which of course now may not happen if I can't import and truly manipulate 3D objects in 3D space in AE.

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Like I said: I'm just disappointed in this unexpected roadblock for my ideas for future projects.

                                                                                  If that's what you were doing, then you should be excited that the AE team stopped working on such a buggy, awful way to do 3d in AE and has moved forward with a much better way to work! The Photoshop 3d import thing was just awful and slow and ick. It was not worth messing with. You haven't lost anything at all without it - except frustration.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Live Photoshop 3d in after effects CS6
                                                                                    praguian Level 1

                                                                                    Szalam wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    rhannebaum wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Sorry Tim, I don't have a specific goal I'm trying to achieve. I was playing around with 3D modeling to prepare for future projects, which of course now may not happen if I can't import and truly manipulate 3D objects in 3D space in AE.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Like I said: I'm just disappointed in this unexpected roadblock for my ideas for future projects.

                                                                                    If that's what you were doing, then you should be excited that the AE team stopped working on such a buggy, awful way to do 3d in AE and has moved forward with a much better way to work! The Photoshop 3d import thing was just awful and slow and ick. It was not worth messing with. You haven't lost anything at all without it - except frustration.

                                                                                    "Awful and slow and ick" is better than nothing. I can work with "awful and slow and ick;" I can't work with nothing.

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