I'm assuming you're on a PC :-) Have you checked to make sure the Mercury Playback engine is using your graphics card?
Look under Project settings>general
What do you see there?
Yes, PC! Sorry about the omission. I'll edit my OP to reflect this info. Yes, I do see Mercury-Playback enabled (hardware). Ok, can't edit but hopefully this post clarifies.
P.S. That cursor jumping back a line keeps happening on this forum with Firefox. Odd! Never seen this behavior before in other forums. Checked keys, they're fine. Used compressed air to remove any possible debris. Hopefully it's not a forum bug?
which Nvidia drivers are you running?
I am running NVIDIA 306.97. Latest driver installed yesterday. Did a clean install.
OK. If you go to Nvidia control panel> system information > components which CUDA module do you see?
SSD Boot drive (OS)
Main Drive: Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (Premiere installed here)
I have read other messages that indicate that PPro does not LIKE to be installed to anything other than the boot drive... and it sometimes (often?) does not work properly if installed to anything other than the boot drive
Since you have PPro installed to the same drive that you are using for video files, you are overloading your data transfer capability... in effect, you are using only one drive (see below)
Trying to use only ONE Hard Drive for Video Editing
You are a music conductor, with a baton that you use to point to various parts of the
orchestra... this is like Windows pointing to various parts of the hard drive to do
Windows housekeeping or to load program segments for various functions
Now, at the same time and with the same hand... while still using the baton to conduct
the orchestra... pick up a bow and play a fiddle... this would be doing something with
your video file at the same time as all the other work
You as a person cannot do both at the same time with the same hand
A computer is a LITTLE better, in that it can switch from one kind of task to another
very quickly... but not quickly enough for EASY video editing
You need AT LEAST two hard drives (separate drives, never a partition
http://forums.adobe.com/thread/650708 for more) with Windows (or Mac OS) and software
on your boot drive, and video files on a 2nd drive so the boot drive is not slowed down
by trying to do everything
Partition = Crash http://forums.adobe.com/thread/957286
My 3 hard drives for video editing are configured as...
1 - 320Gig Boot for Win7 64bit Pro and ALL program installs (2)
2 - 320Gig data for Win7 paging swap file and video project files
When I create a project on #2 drive, the various work files follow,
so my boot drive is not used for the media cache folders and files
3 - 1Terabyte data for all video files... input & output files (1)
(1) for faster input/output if you have 4 drives
- use drive 3 for all source files
- use drive 4 for all output files
(2) only 70Gig used, for Win7 & CS5 MC & MS Office & other smaller programs
Search Microsoft to find out how to redirect your Windows paging swap file
Also try running resource monitor when you try to play your sequence, see what the hard drive is up to
(ctrl-alt-del > task manager > resource monitor)
CUDA module: NVIDIA Cuda 5.01 Driver
File version: 8.17.13.0697
Well your CUDA setup is fine.
I think John is right, having the app and the media (especially targa sequences) all on one drive is too much for the computer.
No room for premiere on th SSD?
PS What's a Motovlogger? :-)
Great post, thanks. The conductor analogy helped me visualize what you're talking about.
Ok, my SSD boot drive is 111GB, but I don't think I could get all my programs on there. Even with most programs not on there, there's only 24GB left. Hmmm. Should I move Adobe Production Premium to the C: drive, ye think? I'm definitely game to try it since I'm keen to fix this issue.
It sounds like I don't need a RAID setup then, just a better drive config?
Thanks a lot. I can't type as much as I want because of this zany cursor issue, unless I type in another program and then cut and paste.
MotoVlogging is just Video Blogging on a Motorcycle as I ride through twisties and what-not. It's fun. I talk about all kinds of subjects...usually related to bikes but not always. Channel is my username but on YouTube. I use a GoPro HD Hero 3 (main chinbar cam) and two GoPro HD Hero 2s. All footage is 1080p.
Ok, good to know my CUDA setup is ok. I guess my suspicions about my drives weren't misplaced. Thanks for all the help so far.
My SSD is only 111GB so I may just have to try Adobe Premiere first (or Adobe Production Premium) and then go from there. I have so much software I use on this system that I'd rather not re-do everything. I can't afford for this beast to be solely for editing, since that's mostly for fun right now (Motovlogging) but will also be used for 3D projects and stuff later. I have a feeling my boot drive is just way too small for how I should have this computer set up.
I suppose I could do a Ghost image of the system tho, eh? Then I could upgrade my Boot SSD to a larger size. What would you all recommend for this? I'll try uninstalling Adobe Production Premium from D: and install it on C:, and then set up my scatch/project directories as-recommended and see what happens.
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>SSD boot drive is 111GB, but I don't think I could get all my programs on there. Even with most programs not on there, there's only 24GB left
My boot drive uses about 70Gig for Win7 & CS5 Master Collection & MS Office & several small programs, plus all of my non-video files (Word & Excel & etc) with my Windows paging/swap file directed to another drive (see my previous post for that)
Also, read Drive C space http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1007934?tstart=0
111Gig is an odd size... but I don't use SSD, so have no idea about sizes
If you tell Windows to put your swap/page file where you now have PPro, and follow directions in the link above, you should have plenty of space to re-install (after DE-activating!!!) to your boot drive
Having all software on your boot drive and all data files on your 1T drive should help with data transfer rates... having 3 drives, like my configuration, should help even more
I'm going to do my best to make it happen. I really appreciate your feedback and thorough posts. Yeah, that is a weird size but that's the size it's reporting in Windows. Probably 128GB but just 111GB usable?
Ok, gonna move Premiere. While I am at it, does anyone have any suggestions for how to upgrade to a bigger SSD? Is Norton Ghost the best way to do this? I have a lot of software on this one machine:
3D Stuff: Max, ZBrush and all related tools
Adobe Production Premium
Music Software with libraries (PreSonus Studio One v2). Come to think of it, this would probably benefit from being on the SSD as well.
Ok, moving AProdPremium. I'll move the swap/page file to D: as well (that I think I know how to do, but will double-check using your link from earlier).
I think this forum doesn't like Shift-Enter line breaks. I am using 'Enter' by itself and the cursor misbehavior problem seems improved. It's a habit from FB.
Thanks for that suggestion!
Ok, got Adobe Production Premium deactivated, uninstalled from D: and then installed fresh on C:
Now for some testing!
Ok, got Premiere installed on the C: drive (SSD) and project files are on the D: drive. Still painfully slow, even with CUDA active and all that. I also did all the necessary updates and such, per-usual.
Here's how I have my drives set up (please correct me if I got something wrong).
Under Project Settings/Scratch Disks, all drives are on D: and going to my project folder.
Under Preferences/Media: I have Media Cache Files going to D: (in a custom cache folder). Should I check 'Save Medica Cache files next to originals when possible'?
Media Cache Database is set to D: as well.
Did I miss this up or does that look ok?
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With only 2 drives, that is the best you can do... which is why (message #6) I use 3 drives
Just to clarify your advice, when you talk about input/output files, do you literally just mean source and output video from Premiere or is this a reference to something in preferences? I have a third drive here which is a USB3 external drive. What do you suggest I try for that? Should I move my source video there and then re-import everything, just for giggles?
Thanks. Sorry, this drive stuff still confuses me or I probably wouldn't have had to ask for help, LOL.
One issue I see is that the image sequence I am trying to play back is heyooge. Each 32-bit TGA is just under 8MB and all the files combined are about 120GB. This seems to be what's really bringing my system to its knees because of the uncompressed-nature of the TGA files. I might try changing this to some kind of alpha-supported video and see if that helps.
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1st, I do not use external drives... but I have read that a USB3 drive is supposed to be fast enough... IF I had 4 drives I would have my source video (input files) on drive 3 and my export output files on drive 4
Photo Scaling for Video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/450798
-Too Large May = Crash http://forums.adobe.com/thread/879967
-And another crash report http://forums.adobe.com/thread/973935
Thanks John! Once again, great info!
Ok, here's what I did and I am finally seeing improvements.
From After Effects, I re-rendered my GreenScreen footage (all 15,000+ frames of it) to Quicktime Animation with Alpha. It's a 5GB file now instead of 120GB, and a format Premiere can probably deal with better but also far less throughput-needed (or so that's my inference). Even deleting all those uncompressed 32-bit TGA frames took a few minutes.
I've put the source QuickTime on the USB3 and it seems to perform well in Premiere even though that will eventually just be a backup. Chances are I will just get another fast drive to get the 3-4 drive setup you mentioned. I'll be referring to this thread more than a few times, to be sure.
I think I am on the right track thanks to everyone here. I am going to render all my TGA-sequences to QuickTime with Alpha from here on.
I'm glad things are working better... we all learn from each other, and share what we know in these forums