You're looking for the "keep options" -- altctrlj by default. You want
to "start paragraph on odd page".
Oh, actually, you don't want it on an odd page.
So select the first paragraph of the chapter, and set it to "start
paragraph on next page"
Hi Arïel -
Well, first, I can't get the option to show up.
Anyway, though, the first page (the one I want on recto) only contains images.
There should be a way that this happens without overriding anything...
Are the images anchored in the text, or floating free?
Hi Peter -
They're not anchored.
But for the sake of clarity - let's suppose it's a page with nothing on it. Should it matter?
If they're not anchored inthe text, how do the get into the document? Seems like you ought to be able to place them whrever you want them...
I'm, obviously, a little confused.
To get the option to show up, you have to select some text, or have your
cursor in some text. It's a text option, not a page option.
If the first page of the chapter is all graphics, and if they are not
anchored objects, there is no simply way you can force that page to
always be a recto that I know of.
You'll need to manually add a page before.
There may be a way to play around with the pages in the pages palette
(don't allow pages to shuffle, or something like that) -- but I think it
would be more trouble that it's worth.
Peter - I've simply placed the graphics on an empty page.
Arïel, I can try anchoring the graphics but am really not sure why there would need to be content to simply tell a chapter - really, just a page - to start based on the last page of the previous chapter.
Just to be clear:
The previous (first) chapter ends on recto. The one in question (and several more thereafter) should simply start according to whatever happens before it, regardless of where the previous chapter ends.
I just can't imagine it's difficult to actually do this!
But you are saying the chapter start is not a page of text. That's the problem.
Well, for what it's worth, there is text, but it's set on the master pages.
That said - does this mean if the book was entirely blank, it wouldn't work, but as soon as I added even a single letter to the first page, it would flow properly?
Is the text for each chapter a separate story of do you have one continuous flow?
Well... Just tried this with a new document, and text on a page has no bearing on page flow; I created two completely empty chapters to test this. I deleted a page from the first chapter, and the first page of the second chapter re-flowed properly.
So... must be another answer!
You aren't really answering the questions, so it's hard to figure out what your document structure is.
If you've used styles, and the first paragragh in the first page of your chapter has a Keep Option as part of the style, or one has been applied as local formatting, and that keep option specifies a page to start on, then that is going to control what page that paragraph will occupy.
Perhaps you could show us some screen shots of this chapter changeover.
Sorry - I really don't think the content has anything to do with it. I create all kinds of documents; in this case, there are MANY unconnected text and graphic elements on any given page.
Not at the same computer now, but you can follow my steps:
1) Create a new document (facing pages) and drag a master spread down. You now have three pages. Save as "chapter 1".
2) Create a new document (facing pages) and drag a master spread down. You now have three pages. Save as "chapter 2".
3) Create a new book, and add the two documents you've just created. Note that chapter 2 of the book begins on the left hand side, as it should.
4) Delete one page from Chapter 1. Note that the first page of chapter 2 moves to the right hand side.
You're using a Book to combine files. That's important information that wasn't included before. Page flow in a book is controlled by the numbering options you choose for both the Book and the individual files, and whether you need to update the page numbering.
ID presumes that odd numbered pages are rectos and evens are versos in left-to-right languages. If you've set things up to continue from previous number in the docs and the book numbering options, and the various files are open, the numbering should update and the pages will swap sides if you change the page counts by a single page (this can, by the way, cause a lot of trouble if you have master objects that you override).
From my first post:
"I have a book document, and the first chapter ends on recto."
And... we're back to the start - what you're saying about how having things set up so that chapter pagination should continue from the previous document/chapter/page numbering in a book file simply isn't happening, which I why I started the thread.
BTW - I'm using "reflective objects" which is a great plugin.
When you say book dodument most of us see document and presume you are creating a book in one file, a common technique.
Have you synchronized the numbering?
When you go to Book Page Numbering Options from the Book panel flyout menu does the dialog look like this?
When you check the Numbering and Section Options from the Pages panel flyout menu withe first page of your second (and subsequent) chapter(s) does the dialog look like this (your page numbers and chapter number will be different, but it must be set to automatic)?
A failure of your pages to flow properly indicates a problem in one of these areas.
I thought of one other possibility this morning for why a page doesn't change sides, and that would be if you've disabled shuffling for the spread or the document.
I'm going to open up my docs now and take a look at these points, though I do believe I have my chapters set up correctly. Back to you soon.
Well this is embarrassing... but sometimes we (I) forget the basics.
Wasn't working, everything was set up correctly.
Decided to shut down/restart.
Happens to all of us...