11 Replies Latest reply: Nov 22, 2012 3:10 PM by Cornelia-I RSS

    Merging Folders in LR4

    Denver_66

      I just went through the process of "Exporting as Catalogue" all of my photos from a small G-Drive to a 4TB G-Drive, then importing the lrcat into the new drive so that all of my adjustments and Metadata would be carried over with the images.  The photos now exist on both drives, but LR will only recognize one Drive at at time.  If I plug in the small (portable) drive, I have to "locate" the photos (and they are there) but the new drive doesn't show up. If I reverse the process and "locate" the photos on the new drive the portable doesn't show up.  If I plug them both in and try to "locate" I get the message "The selected folder or one of its subfolders is already in Lightroom. Do you want to combine these folders?" I did this once before and it showed both drives, but doubled the number of photos in the catalog. Is there a simpler way of getting both to show and allow me to access either when needed, or should I just combine them?

        • 1. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
          TheGoodLight

          I am having a very similar problem.

           

          I exported a Catalog off my Laptop and tried to import that Catalog on my Imac where my 3 year old master catalog exists and all hell has broken loose.

           

          I now lost the typical indexing on the left side showing all the images on their proper harddrives, now it shows them under the harddrives but under the hardrive of the desktop.

           

          When I try to move images or folders in Lightroom they now show missing and they do not show up on the left in grid view. When I hit locate and attempt to connect it asks as you say to merge. When I do it duplicates on left in Grid view. It is going to take a serious engineer to fix this. This could be the mother bug.

          • 2. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
            bcw99 Community Member

            I too got confused until I realised LR isn't really a file manager. It users virtual files managed by the catalogue.

             

            I too had a drive with a folder of images that had been catalogued and processed in LR and I desperately wanted to keep those adjustments when I created a new catalogue and folder set on a different drive. How I managed this is lost in the mists of time I'm afraid but it took me ages! I dread having to repeat it but will have to soon alas.

             

            In Library mode, in the left pane, right click on the large plus symbol. Here are options for adding folders, setting paths to folders etc. Maybe this is the correct route? But I didn't use that, I somehow merged several catalogs. Adobe should explain all this to us!!

            • 3. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
              Denver_66 Community Member

              Thanks, for commenting, it doesn't solve the problem, but it is at least nice to know that I am not the only one.  I love Lightroom, but I am starting to hate it too! I am particularly unimpressed with the online techie I talked to who offered nothing of value whatsoever. I really wonder if they even read the description of the problem. I'll let you know if I ever figure out how to do it.

              • 4. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                Victoria_Bampton CommunityMVP

                Are you Mac or Windows based? 

                 

                And what are you actually aiming for?  For example, do you work on a single laptop but only take the portable drive out with you?  It only recognizing one drive at a time sounds like the intended behaviour, if I'm understanding you correctly, but we can make the process quite simple.

                 

                It would probably help to see a screenshot of your Folders panel, just to check where we're up to, and how to get it working in exactly the way you want.

                • 5. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                  Victoria_Bampton CommunityMVP

                  AuthenticExposure wrote:

                   

                  I now lost the typical indexing on the left side showing all the images on their proper harddrives, now it shows them under the harddrives but under the hardrive of the desktop.

                   

                  Under a Volumes folder?  Don't worry, there's an easy fix.  Can I see a screenshot of the Folders panel please?

                  • 6. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                    Denver_66 Community Member

                    Thanks for the contact Victoria.  I am a Mac user. My computer is a MacBook Pro runnning LION 10.7.5.  The issue that I am trying to resolve is having the Catalogue list in the left panel show both drives, and the duplicate folders that exist in each, so that I can access them without having to physically switch harddrives and going through the "find missing folders" routine every time I want to change from one drive to the other.  The bottom line is that I am trying to have a carbon copy backup of all the photos, their Keywords and adjustments that were originally on my portable (750 Gig) G-Drive. At the moment, I guess I am switching back and forth mostly to check whether things are working properly and whether my copies are identical in all respects.  Once it is working properly, I anticipate downloading my photo-shoots to the 4TB (main photo drive) G-Drive, doing any adjustments etc there and then backing them up using "Carbon Copy Cloner" onto another drive, (but being sure that all of the catalogue data goes with them)  I hope this makes sense.

                      I tried to attach a screen "Grab" of my Lightroom Folders panel, but I got an error message saying:  "the content type of this message is not allowed"  What the panel would show though is:

                    Under "Catalog": All Photographs            7300

                                              Quick Collection           67

                                              Previous Import            23

                                              Previous Export as Catalog   7227

                                              Added by Previous Export     2

                    Under "Folders":

                                             Main Photo Drive          2.5/3.5TB

                                                       My photos           7251

                                             Macintosh Hard Drive    208/464 GB

                                                       Lens test             7

                                                       Image Review     29

                                                       Lois                   13

                                             Portable Drive               6.2/698 GB

                                                       My photos           0

                                             Collections

                    * the Main Photo Drive and the Mac Harddrive are both green, the Portable Drive is Yellow. So at the moment I can access my photos on the Main Photo Drive (and all of the adjustements etc are there) but I cant access them on my Portable Drive unless I disconnect both drives, and plug only the Portable in, then do the whole "find missing files" routine. when I do, they are there with all the adjustments.

                    Thanks for your help. Any suggestions?

                    • 7. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                      Denver_66 Community Member

                      Hi Victoria,

                          Further to the message I just posted, I went back and tried to access the portable drive. I had to disconnect them both, remount the portable and when I tried to "find the missing files" I got a pop up that said "The selected folder or one of its subfolders is already in Lightroom. Do you want to combine these folders?"  It didn't, in fact, find the files as I mistakenly said in the previous message.

                      Dennis

                      • 8. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                        Cornelia-I Community Member

                        Hi Denver,

                         

                        LR is a database, which contains records about photos. One record per photo, and it needs to know to which photo-file point to.

                        So you cannot have it point to 2 locations for 1 record.

                         

                        Do you auto-write xmp for your files?

                        Because if not, your photos will not differ between the old and the new drive. So it is sufficient to have LR point to one only.

                         

                        If you want xmp for your files, I would still plug only the new drive and have LR write them. Then you can use some other backup software to create a safety backup from them, overwriting your old drive.

                        Alternatively you could plug just one drive sequentially and have LR write x,p to each.

                         

                        If you really want LR to recognize both drives at the same time you need to duplicate the catalog records by importing the second drive again (disabling the setting nor to import suspected duplicates). But what for??

                        In your opening post you stated that you do not want this, which I consider wise.

                         

                        Cornelia

                        • 9. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                          Denver_66 Community Member

                          Thank you Cornelia,

                                  The lightbulb has finally come on!  That all makes perfect sense, and more importantly, I now understand that it doesn't matter where the photo files are or how many copies there are, it is the application of the catalogue to those files that makes the corrections and includes the metadata.  Have I got that right?  If so, you are my heroine! you have saved me untold grief & I thank you from the bottom of my (quite relieved) heart!  Now, just to be clear, am I correct in my understanding that if I add XMP data to my files through LR, the corrections etc. will also be resident ON the photofiles themselves, and that if I then use a program like "Carbon Copy Cloner" to make cloned copies of the photo files (with XMP data) to a new drive they will ALL have the corrections etc up to date and the same?  If I am correct, one last indulgence if you would.... How do I get LR to add the XMP files to all of the photo files on my Main Drive?

                            Again, thank you, YOU ROCK!

                          • 10. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                            dj_paige Community Member

                            Now, just to be clear, am I correct in my understanding that if I add XMP data to my files through LR, the corrections etc. will also be resident ON the photofiles themselves, and that if I then use a program like "Carbon Copy Cloner" to make cloned copies of the photo files (with XMP data) to a new drive they will ALL have the corrections etc up to date and the same?

                            The corrections are in the Lightroom database (which is commonly called the "catalog"). Although you can indeed write some of the metadata to the photo files, Lightroom generally does not use this data. It uses the corrections in the Lightroom database.

                             

                            So if your goal is to create a copy of all your photos on a different drive, and have Lightroom maintain your edits and other metadata, the writing of the metadata to the photo's XMP is not a necessary step. However, you can indeed do so if you want.

                            • 11. Re: Merging Folders in LR4
                              Cornelia-I Community Member

                              Writing xmp is a belt-and-braces approach.

                              Some data of a LR catalog do not go into xmp, such as collection membership, virtual copies and stacks.

                              I do use xmp, but I have LR not set to continuously write them. I prefer to trigger that myself, by selecting the images and do ctrl s (cmd s on Mac). Usually twice: once when I consider my rating, GPS data, caption/title, keywording done. Once when I consider my develop work done.

                               

                              If you go to All Photographs, then select all in library grid mode, and ctrl s, LR will write them in one big batch, which could take a while depending on number of images and writing speed to their storage location.

                               

                              File formats like DNG, JPG, TIF have room inside for xmp data. Proprietary raw formats ( e.g. Nikon NEF or Canon CR2) will get a sidecar-file withe same name ending .xmp

                              Carbon Copy will take all and backup.

                               

                              Xmp inside/along a file is handy if you want to share the image with somebody using Photoshop or somebody else with LR, as it will be read during import, or whenever you invoke the command from menu Metadata-read metadata from files.

                               

                              Cornelia