8 Replies Latest reply: Nov 23, 2012 10:59 PM by dasa43 RSS

    dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11

    dasa43

      first time doing digital video editing so bare with me please

       

      trying to make a dozen pal dvd for other people but playback on our panasonic dvd player in the first trial run seems to have a slight jitter most noticeable in fine text in the tif image which looks to be moving up and down slightly although its not visible when i play it on the pc with vlc or if the dvd is paused

      vlc reports the dvd as being 720x576 50fps using premier elements pal_widscreen_dolby_dvd setting

       

      used a panasonic hs900 to take the footage and merged it with tif extracted from a office powerpoint presentation and jpeg photos total video length is ~2:50

      after first editing all the clips in batches i saved them as mp4 1920x1080 59.94fps to try keep it as close to the original quality as possible so that i could later bring the batches together and output them to dvd and blu-ray

       

      with that length on a dual layer dvd the quality is at ~6.3mbps im just wondering how noticeable the difference is between that and higher or lower levels and if there is any advanced settings to improve quality with longer render times

       

      its probably acceptable as is but if it can be improved i would like to learn how and do it right

      thanks

       

       

      also i wish adobe would allow larger interface sizes in premier elements as its dam hard to see without your nose against the screen on high dpi 2560x1440 27" displays

      even there online guides are the only ones i have ever seen where ctrl + doesnt increase the text size

        • 1. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          The first thing that I look into with DVD playback problems on a set-top player are the brand of blank media used. This article goes into more detail: http://forums.adobe.com/message/3051722#3051722

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
            Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

            DVDs are standard resolution. So it's impossible to create a DVD that's high-resolution, computer monitor resolution or any resolution higher than 720x576. It's important to understand that going in. Any hi-def footage you put on a DVD will be down-rezzed to standard resolution.

             

            As a video editor, Premiere Elements can produce standard 720x576 video and hi-def/BluRay 1920x1080. You can not produce video at 2560x1440.

             

            Second, it's important to understand that Powerpoints generally produce pretty low quality images. So any slides you output from PowerPoint are going to look degraded in Premiere Elements. In fact, the text often looks blurry and difficult to read. That's a PowerPoint issue, not a Premiere Elements issue.

             

            All that said, you're using AVCHD footage from your Panasonic camcorder. Assuming that this footage is the first clip you've added to your timeline, version 11 should set up your project specs automatically. But just to make sure, go to Edit/Project Settings and see what settings your project is using.

             

            If your project is using the proper resolution, the DVD you output should look terrific when played on a TV.

            • 3. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
              the_wine_snob Community Member

              Another thing to think about is the DVD-spec. While I do not do PAL, I believe that all DVD's will be 25 FPS Interlaced by the spec. This article has many links that cover almost ever aspect of DVD-Video discs, for both NTSC and PAL: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2525832#2525832

               

              For Progressive material, one would need to go to BD. See this Encore FAQ Entry for the allowed Adobe formats: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/421178?tstart=0

               

              I would assume that with DVD's authored with PrE, that the FPS and Interlaced, would be done with an internal software conversion, when the DVD files are written, and I wonder if that conversion is part of what you observe? One of our valued contributors, Neale, is in PAL-land, so perhaps he has some direct knowledge of working with 50p material, going to DVD.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
                dasa43 Community Member

                the dvd is playing so i doubt its the media which is verbatim dvd+r dl

                i understand that 720x576 is the max for dvd

                but i thought 25fps was the max and software (vlc player) is reporting that premier elements has encoded it to 50fps? but then it is reporting the source file as ~120fps so im guessing its probably wrong on both counts since my camera cant do 120fps unfortunately

                 

                 

                the mention of 2560x1440 was simply in reference to a gripe with the premier elements interface nothing to do with video input or output

                 

                 

                i understand that powerpoint images are low quality but they turned out good enough other than the mentioned problem above with is present throughout the entire dvd just most noticeable on its text due to it being finer black & white with a underline that i can see flickering up and down along with what appear to be some minor black artifacting or some of the text where it shouldnt be

                but like i said its fine when played on pc or when paused on the dvd player suggesting to me its maybe a problem with the framerate of interlacing although there shouldnt be any interlacing should there?

                 

                 

                the camera is ntsc 60p not pal 50p and i am asking premier elements to convert it down to pal dvd or bluray

                 

                 

                premier elements seems to have detected the cameras format ok going by the source summery when i go to output the file im assuming this is related to what you were talking about and with the inserted images and video all suffering the same problem it would have to be a unlikely course?

                i will be outputting this to bluray for a few people but most people getting this only have dvd

                • 5. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
                  dasa43 Community Member

                  ok a picture is worth a thousand words i just snapped these from the tv you will notice the underlines moving up and down between frames

                  and i circled two of the glitches

                  http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/dasa09/H1040005.jpg

                  http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y83/dasa09/H1040006.jpg

                   

                   

                  ok after a bit more searching around it would seem the problem is that premier elements 11 is making the dvd interlaced and doing a bad job of it is there any way to prevent this and keep the output footage progressive?

                   

                  Message was edited by: dasa43

                  • 6. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
                    Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

                    Are these slides from a PowerPoint presentation or did you create the text in Premiere Elements?

                    • 7. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
                      dasa43 Community Member

                      they are from a powerpoint presentation exported to tif and imported into premier elements

                      they look fine during any kind of playback other than in a dvd player

                      • 8. Re: dvd output fps & quality with 1080 60p footage premier elements 11
                        dasa43 Community Member

                        edit fixed the interlacing problems seems it was on the players end nothing to do with elements

                         

                        one odd thing with blu-ray it needed to lower the quality from 20mbps down to 16mbps for it to fit but then it only filled the 25gb disk to ~17gb which is a little disappointing that its not making full use of the available space and possible lowering quality more than it should but still it looks very nice so im happy now