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1. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
Nancy O. Nov 23, 2012 10:10 AM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)If you currently own a suite, you can only upgrade to a suite. If you switch to individual products, you'll need to buy the full scale versions of each.
Look ahead. As your skills improve and hopefully your client base, you may find you need more than just DW & FW to get the job done. Having a Suite gives you more apps to work with even if you don't use them regularly.
I'm on the Cloud because it gives me access to all the software I use regularly plus others I don't but may have need for in the future (17 products in all). If a client sends me a file from Illustrator, Flash or Premier Pro, no worries. I can open all of them in their native applications.
With the Cloud, I get software upgrades as soon as they're available; not 1 or 2 years later as is the case for perpetual license holders.
Also, Cloud offers other perks that perpetual license holders don't get like having the software installed on both Mac & PC, Cloud space for storing files, TypeKit, etc... For me anyway, a monthly fee makes more sense than purchasing perpetual licenses & upgrades down the road.
Ultimately, you must decide which option works best for you.
Nancy O.
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2. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
John Waller Nov 23, 2012 10:38 AM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)The cost of creative cloud is quite frankly out of reach to the independent webmaster who only writes not for profit sites, and has to pay for his own software. If Adobe were to supply a creative cloud at say £60 a year and only give access to DW and Fireworks, I would probably take up the offer. That's the background.
Depends on your perspective.
Presumably you've already got CS5 or another product which qualifies for an upgrade. (If you've got CS3 or CS4 then you've got until 31 Dec 2012 to decide to upgrade to CS6. After that, it's full price.)
£358 upfront cost to upgrade to CS6 Design & Web Premium. Due to the new "one version back" upgrade policy introduced with CS6, you must upgrade to CS7 and CS8 etc when they are released.
To join the Cloud (with all its extras) for the first 12 months for existing customers costs £27.34/month. = £328p.a.. After that it's £46.88/month = £562 p.a.
If as, Nancy says, you look ahead and cost this over, say, 5 years
Perpetual license = £358 x 3 (assuming CS6,7,8) = £1,074 (all payments in full, upfront).
Cloud = £328 + £562 + £562 = £1,452 (all monthly payments)
That's over 5 years or more with all Cloud benefits and more software and services added to the Cloud every year for no extra cost. If one extra software proves useful to you, the Cloud has paid for itself.
Or, you could hedge your bets, take out the first 12 months of Cloud for the cheaper monthly rate on a 12 month plan then upgrade to CS6 just before CS7 ships so that you're still eligible for the CS8 upgrade cycle.
Bear in mind also that Adobe's long term plan seems to be to discontinue perpetually licensed software and go Cloud only for all software delivery. That's speculation based on mounting evidence from Adobe and Adobe-watchers online. So the Cloud is something to start planning for now anyway.
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3. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
whatalotofrubbish Dec 10, 2012 3:54 PM (in response to John Waller)Sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Broadband down again!
Quote John Waller
Perpetual license = £358 x 3 (assuming CS6,7,8) = £1,074 (all payments in full, upfront).
Cloud = £328 + £562 + £562 = £1,452 (all monthly payments)
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I make that three years, not 5.
5 years would be 328 + 562 +562 + 562 + 526 = £2540 - which is a lot different to £1452.
If I upgrade to CS6 before January 1st and the to CS7 and CS8, based on current prices, that would amount to £328 * 3 or £984, which is lots cheaper than what you are stating John.
Of course the price will probably rise, which would affect your maths as well as mine and as you state, they probably will not provide upgrades in DVD format after 2012.
Currently it is not possible to buy an upgrade direct from the UK Adobe website unless you buy the cloud edition.
The discounted price seems to have been withdrawn, so that adds another £234 to the costs, making the cloud price for 5 years a magnificent £2774!
The cloud thing has everyone looking at regular upgrades and not at the cost. Cloud space costs not a lot but has one or two major problems. If you have an unreliable web service like I have, it can be out of action for days on end, - a whole month once. It would cost me another £70 a year to obtain an unlimited download allowance which in my area is also not worth the money.
In addition, while its probably a safe storage system, its not the same as having it on your computer at your house. Similarly, if your subscription via PayPal has a technical hiccup, like one of mine did last month, your whole web production can go down the drain.
If you are on the cloud do you have to download Dreamweaver each time that you want to use it? Can you use it if you are not on line?
Most of my work takes place in the absence of a good broadband signal.
I will hedge my bets and buy an upgrade disk version of the suite and see what happens when 7 comes out.
Horses for courses - If I was charging £50 an hour for programming like I used to do when I was in the business, there would not be a problem. I just write for charity, and this change is going to stop me doing so - as it will lots of other people.
Microsoft has a charitable arm that supplies software at a great discount - why not Adobe?
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4. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
Nancy O. Dec 10, 2012 4:41 PM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)If you are on the cloud do you have to download Dreamweaver each time that you want to use it?
Of course not. Cloud software is no different from the full scale, stand alone software that you already know & love. The only major difference is how you pay for it -- monthly instead of one lump sum. You download & install Cloud software as a desktop application to your PC, Mac or Tablet. No different than the perpetual licensed software.
Can you use it if you are not on line?
Yes. I do it quite often. However, once every month you need to be on line so the Cloud can confirm your status and alert you to any updates that are available. You'll be given plenty of opportunity to do this.
BTW: You're under no obligation to use the free Cloud space for storing files unless you want to store files there. I do this as a backup. But I keep work files on my computer as I always have.
A free Business Catalyst account also comes with the Cloud but again, you're under no obligation to use it if you decide not to.
Nancy O.
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5. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
John Waller Dec 10, 2012 5:16 PM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)The Creative Cloud FAQ addresses many of these questions
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6. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
whatalotofrubbish Dec 11, 2012 3:09 AM (in response to John Waller)Thanks to John and Nancy 0.
One last question.
If I take the creative cloud for one year, and then don't wish to continue for some reason, can I still use the CS5.5 that I already have. I looked through the FAQs and cannot see one that directly relates to this question.
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7. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
cdeatherage Dec 11, 2012 5:23 AM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)As I understand it, you would still be able to use the standalone 5.5 as long as you have an operating system that supports it.
Chris
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8. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
SnakEyez02 Dec 11, 2012 5:43 AM (in response to cdeatherage)I believe you can continue to use it as an application but not for an upgrade since that would have been used going to the Cloud. You might want to check with Adobe for clarification on that though.
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9. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
whatalotofrubbish Dec 11, 2012 8:09 AM (in response to SnakEyez02)Thanks everyone.
I have bitten the bullet and bought a retail upgrade version from 5.5 to CS6 from Amazon.co.uk.
Having seen the latest offering by Microsoft, I don't intend to change my operating system until its absolutely required. Seems that they are also copying Adobe with rented systems at inflated prices.
I can then decide what to do when CS7 comes along - I may well be dead by then.
For sure, Adobe will have trebled its profits by using the Cloud, and they may have a change of heart regarding charitable organizations.
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10. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
SnakEyez02 Dec 11, 2012 8:31 AM (in response to whatalotofrubbish)Damn I totally missed that you are working for a non-profit. I apologize about that, but for future reference Adobe does offer non-profit pricing but it's only direct from them.
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11. Re: Is it better to upgrade to CS6 or just buy DW6
whatalotofrubbish Dec 11, 2012 11:50 AM (in response to SnakEyez02)Thats good to know. Having had a look at the info available, it seems that its linked to the US and Canada, but there are world wide resellers, so I have written to one in the UK to see if they are able to help.




