Oh, I've tried this. Definitely **not** a multicam project (unless you really want to tear your hair out!).
Since the timing is different on the two nights I would recommend setting up both performances in their own, separate, sequences. The stage left will be your primary, finished, sequence and you may as well set the stage right video and audio to be on track 2 (you'll need that audio for reference and you may even have to use it sometimes).
Go through the stage-left performance and split the video at any points you *know* you'll want to use the other camera angle. Start with the "must-use" scenes and then go on to the "would like to use" scenes - you'll need the practice!
Disable the stage-left clips you won't be using (or drop the opacity to 0%). You should leave them in place, however, for reference. Find the corresponding scene on the stage-right sequence. Cut it and paste it onto track 2 of the same scene in the stage-left sequence (bring the audio along for the ride too).
Here's where the "editing magic" (read: insanity) comes in. Finessse the in and out points of each camera (you'll end up adjusting both of them) until you like the cut. Sometimes the stage-right clip will be longer than the same scene on the stage-left camera. Sometimes it will be shorter. Cut your master timeline as needed; if the new stage-right is longer, just lop off the stage-left scene. If it's shorter, leave a gap or drag the hidden scene out a bit. The idea is to keep everything as "in sync" as possible to the very end.
You will quickly learn when you can (and can not) cut songs! This all depends on your particular performers but it will become rapidly apparent! You will also notice little (sometimes not-so-subtle) changes in costume, hair and make-up, not to mention lighting and set decoration. Sometimes you can get around these. Sometimes you have to sacrifice your editing to hide them. If you are very, very lucky you will have shot this in very high HD. If so, feel free to re-frame your shots (i.e. zoom in and/or pan). Then out put the whole thing on a standard def DVD and it will look wonderful!
Oh yeah.. one more thing... the *next* time you do this (and if you do it successfully this time there *will* be a next time!), shoot it in high-def and beg, borrow or steal a second camera. Set the second camera up at the back of the house (or somewhere it can see the whole show). Then you can be free to actually follow the action with your primary camera safe in the knowledge that there's a static "insurance" shot that you will be able to sync up. *That* will be a multicam edit!
Thank you Allynn Wilkinson, I will need to study your reply and experiment. But you’ve given me the focus and direction I needed.
Looks like the first step will be syncing the audio from the two nights, then switching the camera angles as needed with the opacity tool. I need to better understand how to use and apply the I/O points as well.
My goal is to cut the musical numbers first and post them online (640x360 HD). Then author a Blu-Ray for the class.
It’s our first year at the school and hopefully this will be a nice introduction for us. There will be another play in the spring.
Thanks again, and have a great day!
I don't think you're going to be able to sync the audio. Even the pros sing slightly differently each night
What I was suggesting is to mark your cut aways by razor blading through the stage-left footage and dropping the opacity to 0%. Then you can bring your second camera in and sync the action as best as you can.
You really won't have to use I/O points if you do everything with the blade tool in the sequence. It should be a little easier and more "organic" that way because you'll be able to see if the second camera is a bit off and just drag its clip around.
The blade and the ripple edit (which is the default action with the "v" key selected) should get you most of the way there. You migth want to twirl down both audio tracks so you can see the waveforms. Then you'll know how far off you are! If needed, you can cut pauses out when you switch camera angles.
It's a good idea to start with just one musical number (make it a duet - not a full chorus piece!) and get the hang of the technique. It *is* possible to do a good job but Jim is right, it isn't easy!
Thank you Jim, and again Allynn,
I am starting to see the problems when editing footage from 2 different nights. I did as Allynn suggested and syncing the audio was harder than expected. So I sync'd the "high point" of the song with the second camera clip then cut and run with an opacity fade back to the first camera. The 640x360 webclip doesn't show the difference too much, but I expect the BluRay to be more noticiable.
A second camera would be nice Jim, my bigger challenge will be finding the second camera operator
Yeah... what frantyl and Jim said!
I did a four camera shoot of theater in the round last year all by myself! Three lock downs and me on a monopod. Worked out great. I shot in 1080 and output the finished as standard def. Reframed every single shot zoomed up to about 135% with some digital pans on the lock downs.
Do they really expect yours to be Blu-ray? It would look so much better standard def.
Standard def? Hmmm
This project is my rebound after crashing Pinnacle Studio last year and my lowly Sony HandyCam giving out. I produced the 8th grade video last year that had my daughter center stage playing Adele on piano. Her big moment and I nearly missed it.
So this summer I picked up a Canon HFG10 and Adobe Master Suite. I just figured an HD production was the next logical step.
I like the Canon range a lot. We use Vixias at my University and I have a couple at home too.
Although all of my shooting is HD and I put HD up on the web, I still make SD DVDs for a variety of reasons. For one, I'm on a Mac and Apple isn't exactly Blu-ray friendly. But more than that, Blu-ray discs look just like SD discs and a **lot** of people still don't have Blu-ray players or will try to look at the disc on a computer without a Blu-ray player. Of course, I had the same problem "in the day" when DVDs came out and people tried to play them on CD players!
Mainly, though, it's just that standard def is **far** more forgiving and allows a lot of re-framing in post. At the very least, shoot 1080 and output 720. That will still give you some leeway for re-framing. Can't do the math this early in the morning but I'd say you'd be safe to zoom into around 115% before there would be any difference and up to 125% if you can live with a little softness.
Be sure to label the disc as "Blu-ray" so you'll have a standard line to tell people if they can't play it! Personally, I can't stand any discs and I can't wait until everything is just a computer file! But of course, they pose problems of their own.
Thanks, I appreciate the tip of SD masking the resolution degradtion when using zoom'd cuts. But I am surprised to read there are still folks without Blu-Ray players, lol.
Yes, I definately use Blu-Ray cases, it helps me keep things straight in my own studio.
Like I said, I am the FNG trying to make the club. I thought I'd drop this little Christmas gift on the music and theater department teachers and see if anyone else comes forward with skills or equipment. My previous school productions have been pretty time consuming and thankless, so I'm not really looking to do everything this time around.
But either way, I figure a few school musicals/plays will be a terrific CS6 learning experience that I could later apply to my own business.
Thanks everyone for all the great advice, I really appreciate it.