11 Replies Latest reply: Dec 15, 2012 7:46 AM by kissfrito@yahoo.com RSS

    How to Turn Dead Space into Path

    kissfrito@yahoo.com Community Member

      I have the following drawing in illustrator:

       

      Screen Shot 2012-12-05 at 1.57.21 AM.png

       

      Right in the middle of the drawing there is a gray area that denotes a transparent part I believe or where there is no path. I'm wondering, how can I change this into a path so I can fill it in with color? (don't want to use Live Paint, creates too many paths). Any suggestions?

        • 1. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
          Jacob Bugge CommunityMVP

          kiss,

           

          It looks like a (selected) path with a grey fill that is partly hidden behind a non selected path with a red fill, the grey are being the unhidden portion.

           

          What happens if you use the Direct Selection Tool and click in the middle of the grey area (you can look at the Layers palette/panel and the Fill Color in the Toolbox, and elsewhare to see)?

          • 2. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
            kissfrito@yahoo.com Community Member

            Jacob Bugge wrote:

             

            kiss,

             

            It looks like a (selected) path with a grey fill that is partly hidden behind a non selected path with a red fill, the grey are being the unhidden portion.

             

            What happens if you use the Direct Selection Tool and click in the middle of the grey area (you can look at the Layers palette/panel and the Fill Color in the Toolbox, and elsewhare to see)?

            Hi Jacob,

             

            When I click on it with the Direct Selection Tool, nothing happens. Whatever it is, it's actually transparent, when I have it on my artboard it's white, and when I drag it off of it to the background outside the whiteboard, then that background (grey) shines through it.

             

            This is happening after I'm using the simplify paths feature, it's creating this dead area after it deletes some paths I guess.

            • 3. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
              JETalmage Community Member

              It looks like you've got alot of self-crossing and compounded paths going on there, that do not reverse fills. Can't tell from your screenshot what you're really dealing with.

               

              JET

              • 4. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                [scott] Community Member

                It's difficult to tell actual construction, but it looks as though you've got a black filled shape lying under a red filled shape. Can't you simply alter the path fo the black shape to cover that area as well?

                • 5. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                  kissfrito@yahoo.com Community Member

                  I'm pretty sure that when the Path simplifying is occuring, it's tearing apart some of my paths somehow as it deletes some points. Those are just empty spaces that don't have any points or paths I think.

                   

                  Scott w - Yeah I can do that, would prefer to fill in with a color if possible.

                   

                  Is it possible for me to post the file?

                  • 6. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                    Wade_Zimmerman Community Member

                    You can use Adobe Send Now's free service to upload the file and send the file to yourself and then copy the link here so we can download the file.

                     

                    But you might try this so you cn see what Scott is referring to turn off paths B and C those are separate paths you of course turn off the visibilty in the layers panel.

                     

                    Then using the selection tool double click path A (the problem path) to enter isolation mode

                     

                    now check the fill proxy to see if it can be filled also check the appearance panel and expand the fill item to see if there is something unexpected. And the transparency panel as well.

                     

                    You can show us screen shots if you wish of these panels all while path A is selected and B & C are not visible.

                     

                    Screen+Shot+2012-12-05+at+1.57.21+AM.png

                    • 7. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                      Wade_Zimmerman Community Member

                      It looks like something like this is happening where it is set to a ifferent blending mode

                       

                      Screen Shot 2012-12-05 at 9.55.02 AM.png

                      • 8. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                        kissfrito@yahoo.com Community Member

                        Thanks for those posts Wade, I'm going to take a look and see. Here is the document as well in case anyone has time to take a look: https://sendnow.acrobat.com/?i=pxhMd24-xZIMgCrjP-rMOw. The dead / transparent spot is on the left eye.

                        • 9. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                          Jacob Bugge CommunityMVP

                          kiss,

                           

                          Generally, round the transparent non covered dead parts (actually all the way round the eye, the red and the black (Compound) Paths have coinciding Anchor Points/segments, but not at the parts where there are gaps.

                           

                          If I understand your detailed aim in the right way, for each gap/segment you may:

                           

                          0) Lock the black and red paths in between the following so you can find them again, and unlock them temporarily when needed;

                          1) Direct Select the segment of the black path and Ctrl/Cmd+C+F+X+F to get an independent open path;

                          2) Move 1) just below the red compound path in the Layers palette stacking order and Pathfinder>Unite (or Add to shape area or whatever it is called in your version, maybe pressing the Alt/Option key to get a simple (compound) path.

                           

                          More crudely, you could also just place a larger red object beneath everything else to undercover all the gaps.

                          • 10. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                            emil emil Community Member

                            the way I understand what you want can be done like this:

                            Click on the black color to select it then choose Select > Same > Fill Color

                            Press (Shift + Ctrl + Alt + 3) to hide all others and you will get what is shown on the left side of the image below.

                            Pick the pencil tool (N) and draw a rough path like the one shown on the right side of the image below.

                            Select all (Ctrl + A), open the Pathfinder panel and press the first (Unite) button.

                            Press (Ctrl + Alt + 3) to show hidden.

                             

                            Capture.JPG

                            If using a mac Ctrl = Cmd, Alt = Option

                            • 11. Re: How to Turn Dead Space into Path
                              kissfrito@yahoo.com Community Member

                              Thanks for all the responses guys, sorry I haven't been back to reply (I had to take a break). I think in general I'm phrasing the problem wrong and might start another thread to show more exactly what I'm trying to accomplish.