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    Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6

    420Production Level 1

      Hi, I'm just started a company working with young people, and I need a laptop for editing some videos (short films/music videos).

      I was looking at a cheap laptop to be able to run Adobe Premiere and After Effects smoothly. I was told that this laptop would run smoothly:

       

      http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hp-envy-m6-1178sa-15-6-laptop-17419990-pdt.html

       

      Can anyone confirm this? The graphics card is not listed on the Adobe's website but I was told it's compatible?

       

      Im new to this stuff so please help, thank you.

        • 2. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
          420Production Level 1

          Thank you for the reply. Would you be able to to tell me what part doesn't meet the requirement as I was told my the "experts" at PC WORLD that it would work, in fact they were so adamant they said they will write it on the receipt and if it fails to work they would refund all the money back to me.

          • 3. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
            Harm Millaard Level 7

            For one, it does not have the monitor resolution required, which requires at least 900 vertical resolution. It does not have two physical different SATA 7200 RPM drives.

             

            If you want to work in the blind, without seeing the complete user interface and guessing at the option you choose on a system slower than molasses in winter, go ahead, but the people at PC WORLD do not know what they are talking about. They are from another world.

            • 4. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
              420Production Level 1

              Haha, thank you. I was planning on getting it today! Lucky I asked. In any case CS6 requires a very powerful machine in order to run, I was think about getting CS5 instead. Would that laptop be okay for CS5?

              • 5. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                ECBowen Most Valuable Participant
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                2 GB DDR3 dedicated AMD Radeon HD 7670M'

                 

                If you are looking for a laptop for CS5 or CS6 then find one with an Nvidia Graphics with 1GB of ram or more. That is far more important to your editing experience on a laptop than many other components. Also you really want 12GB to 16GB of ram if it's within your budget.

                 

                Eric

                ADK

                • 6. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                  John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                  >Would that laptop be okay for CS5?

                   

                  No... CS6 added direct support for new(er) file types, but did not change the basic requirements

                   

                  The link in Harm's reply #1 mentions the EFFECTIVE minimum requirements

                   

                  Do not buy something that is not designed for video editing

                  • 7. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                    Bill Gehrke Adobe Community Professional & MVP
                    1. Does not meet minimum screen resolution.
                    2. Does not have a nVidia graphics card to give you GPU acceleration
                    3. It has only a single disk drive and that is a 5400 rpm drive and you need two drives to meet Adobes minimum requirements.
                    4. Weak CPU

                    Look at our Premiere Pro BenchMark (PPBM5) and on the top tabs select "Computer type" and then "Laptops" and see what it takes to get a mediocre performance out of the 1107 tested configurations.  Highest scoring Laptop is #368 and the next 20 or so will give you mediocre performance.

                    • 8. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                      420Production Level 1

                      Okay thank you. I guess 8GB of Ram will be okay for CS5?

                       

                      Would this be okay for CS6 or CS5 even?

                       

                      http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/toshiba-satellite-p855-307-15-6-laptop-silver-12520792-pdt.h tml

                       

                      Many thanks for you help guys

                      • 9. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                        John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                        NO to that computer !!!

                         

                        http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/tech-specs.html

                         

                        Minimum 1280x900 display

                         

                        Only one hard drive will not work... you MAY be able to "limp along" with a 5400rpm boot drive, but you need a 2nd 7200rpm for projects and video files

                         

                        >8GB of Ram will be okay for CS5?

                         

                        16Gig is MUCH better, but 8Gig would be the minimum

                         

                        • 10. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                          420Production Level 1

                          Wow, this is a lot more complicated than I first thought. can I use an external  7200rpm hardrive for projects and video files?

                          • 11. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                            No. Still does not meet minimum requirements. Look at a laptop with:

                             

                            • i7 quad core, preferably with HT
                            • 16 GB or more memory
                            • nVidia GTX 650M or better video card
                            • 1920 x 1080 monitor resolution
                            • at least two 7200 RPM internal disks or one internal 7200 RPM SATA plus one external 7200 RPM eSATA disk. USB2 is too slow.

                             

                            Did you take a look at the link I gave you in post #1?

                            • 12. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                              >external 7200rpm hardrive for projects and video files?

                               

                              As Harm said... eSata is best for an external, but USB3 is also supposed to work (no direct experience here, I have a desktop with 3 hard drives for CS5)

                              • 13. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                420Production Level 1

                                The pricing of those laptops are going way over my budget, I'm looking at something under £1000. I don't mind using CS5 instead of CS6 if it means getting a cheaper laptop. I'm only gonna be editing short videos from a Canon 600D and some visual fx such as chroma keying.

                                • 14. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                  Harm Millaard Level 7

                                  If you have the time to finish your project (singular) by the time you reach retirement age, go ahead, but it will stress your patience. Such a system is only 80 - 120 times slower than a fast desktop with a nVidia card or even worse with an AMD card.

                                   

                                  There is not much difference between requirements for CS5 or CS6.

                                  • 15. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                    Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                    The pricing of those laptops are going way over my budget, I'm looking at something under £1000. I don't mind using CS5 instead of CS6 if it means getting a cheaper laptop. I'm only gonna be editing short videos from a Canon 600D and some visual fx such as chroma keying.

                                    The advice you're getting here is geared towards decent PPBM scores (benchmark Bill and Harm developed) and for professional systems - the ones used full on for 16 hours a day, where time is money.  I don't think many folks here (including Harm and Bill) take into account that occasional / light duty users do not need a high end system to smoothly run Premiere Pro.

                                     

                                    The requirement to have two physical disks for CS6 is bogus.  Adobe does not require that.  I pointed it out to Harm but he is stubborn.

                                     

                                    For under 1K, you can still get a decent laptop that meets most of the above requirements (but not all).  Look at Toshiba Qosmio and Lenovo IdeaPad Y58.

                                    • 16. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                      Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                      If you have the time to finish your project (singular) by the time you reach retirement age, go ahead, but it will stress your patience. Such a system is only 80 - 120 times slower than a fast desktop with a nVidia card or even worse with an AMD card.

                                      Harm is confusing editing with getting high PPBM scores, I am afraid - again.  Not all projects have 10 layers of H.264 stacked with heavy effects for two hours straight.  The vast majority of editing is simple transitions and effects with 10 minutes of YouTube encoding twice a week.

                                      • 17. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                        Harm Millaard Level 7

                                        How realistic are the system requirements Adobe posts on their site?

                                         

                                         

                                        System requirements

                                         

                                        Windows

                                        • Intel® Pentium® 4 or AMD Athlon® 64 processor with 64-bit support; Intel Core®2 Duo or AMD Phenom® II processor required for Adobe® Premiere® Pro, After Effects®, and Encore®; Intel Core i7 processor required for Adobe SpeedGrade™
                                        • Microsoft® Windows® 7 with Service Pack 1 (64 bit) and Windows® 8. Refer to the CS6 FAQ for more information about Windows 8 support.*
                                        • 2GB of RAM (4GB recommended) for 32 bit; 4GB of RAM (8GB recommended) for 64 bit
                                        • 14.5GB of available hard-disk space for installation; additional free space required during installation (cannot install on removable flash storage devices)
                                        • Additional disk space required for disk cache, preview files, and other working files (10GB recommended)
                                        • 1280x900 display with 16-bit color and 512MB of VRAM; 1680x1050 display required, and second professionally calibrated viewing display recommended for SpeedGrade
                                        • OpenGL 2.0–capable system
                                        • Sound card compatible with ASIO protocol or Microsoft WDM/MME
                                        • DVD-ROM drive compatible with dual-layer DVDs (DVD+-R burner for burning DVDs; Blu-ray burner for creating Blu-ray Disc media)
                                        • Java™ Runtime Environment 1.6 (included)
                                        • Eclipse™ 3.7 (for plug-in installation of Adobe Flash® Builder®); the following distributions are supported: Eclipse IDE for Java EE and Java Developers, Eclipse Classic, Eclipse for PHP Developers
                                        • QuickTime 7.6.6 software required for QuickTime features, multimedia, and HTML5 media playback
                                        • Dedicated GPU card required for SpeedGrade (for optimal performance in SpeedGrade and for GPU-accelerated features in Adobe Premiere Pro and After Effects: NVIDIA Quadro 4000, 5000, or 6000 or other Adobe-certified GPU card with at least 1GB of VRAM recommended); visit www.adobe.com/products/premiere/extend.html for supported cards
                                        • Optional: Tangent CP200 family or Tangent Wave control surface for SpeedGrade
                                        • Optional: For SDI output, NVIDIA Quadro SDI Output card required for SpeedGrade
                                        • Optional: 7200 RPM hard drive (multiple fast disk drives, preferably RAID 0 configured, recommended) for video products
                                        • This software will not operate without activation. Broadband Internet connection and registration are required for software activation, validation of subscriptions, and access to online services.† Phone activation is not available.

                                         

                                         

                                        You have to be from another world to believe these requirements. Note the last optional statement. Up to and including CS4 this stated:

                                         

                                        Dedicated 7200 RPM hard drive (multiple fast disk drives, preferably RAID 0 configured) for video products.

                                         

                                        Nobody in his right mind believes that system requirements get lower over time. It is purely a marketing lie to artificially lure prospective buyers.

                                         

                                        The requirement to have two physical disks for CS6 is bogus.

                                         

                                        If anything is bogus, it is the system requirements from Adobe and only fools would try to use a system with these minimum requirements, like this:

                                         

                                        Pentium 4 with 4 GB of RAM, 24.5 GB of hard disk space is enough according to them.

                                         

                                        Harm is confusing editing with getting high PPBM scores, I am afraid - again.  Not all projects have 10 layers of H.264 stacked with heavy effects for two hours straight.  The vast majority of editing is simple transitions and effects with 10 minutes of YouTube encoding twice a week.

                                         

                                        Wrong assumption. I was thinking of a simple DV timeline with one single track. And however much you dislike the PPBM benchmark, it is the only available tool to show how well a system is setup and in balance. Question: Is your dislike of the benchmark based on the fact that your favorite HP Z820 does not do well?

                                        • 18. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                          Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                          It is purely a marketing lie to artificially lure prospective buyers.

                                          And that is a unfounded personal perspective of yours, Harm.  Someone editing 25Mbs DV files and outputting them to YouTube - can work on a $500 i3 laptop with a single 5400rpm drive just fine.

                                           

                                          It's a great thing Adobe doesn't let you write their system recommendations.   It's really not a great thing you've taken that job upon yourself though.

                                           

                                          The real recommendation is (and had always been): minimum system requirements are a moving target and depend on both the application's demands (e.g. 64-bit only) and those of the workflow.

                                           

                                          Insisting that two physical drives is a minimum requirement without knowing the demands of the wokflow is utter insanity.

                                          Wrong assumption. I was thinking of a simple DV timeline with one single track. And however much you dislike the PPBM benchmark, it is the only available tool to show how well a system is setup and in balance. Question: Is your dislike of the benchmark based on the fact that your favorite HP Z820 does not do well?

                                          1. I don't dislike the benchmark, I dislike the frenetic religious fervor associated with it, that is so prevalent on this forum.
                                          2. I have no clue how Z820 does on PPBM - I am married to neither, and find your jab rather strange given that Z820's core components (CPUs, memory, GPUs, hard drives) don't vary from any other C602 platform, sans overclocking.
                                          3. You need a Core i7 CPU, 16GB RAM and two 7200rpm drives for a simple 1-track DV timeline?  Insanity.  Harm, do you even remember the year DV camcorders and FireWire cards started shipping?  (Hint: it wasn't in this millennium.)

                                           

                                          [Personal comment deleted]

                                          • 19. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                                            And that is a unfounded personal perspective of yours, Harm.

                                             

                                            Again a wrong assumption. Take a simple 3 hour DV single track timeline on a single disk 5400 RPM system, way faster in CPU than a Pentium 4, in contrast to a fast system and the export time is around 12,600 seconds on a single 5400 RPM disk and around 20 seconds on a fast system. That is a whopping 630 times slower. If you call that unfounded, go ahead, but I have run various editing projects on three different machines, not benchmark projects, but real life editing projects and the differences are huge between what Adobe calls minimum requirements (even when you surpass them) and what I call practical minimum requirements.

                                             

                                            Now who is being stubborn?

                                             

                                            Insisting that two physical drives is a minimum requirement without knowing the demands of the wokflow is utter insanity.

                                            Someone editing 25Mbs DV files and outputting them to YouTube - can work on a $500 i3 laptop with a single 5400rpm drive just fine.

                                            Call me insane, but when you tell people that a 630 times slower workflow is 'just fine', maybe you ought to reconsider that stance.

                                            • 20. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                              John T Smith Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                              >don't mind using CS5 instead of CS6 if it means getting a cheaper laptop

                                               

                                              Go back and re-read what I said in #6 - CS5 still requires the same hardware to run as CS6

                                               

                                              >Canon 600D

                                               

                                              DSLR video requires a computer that is toward the "high end" of requirements to edit effectively

                                               

                                              By effectively, I mean with what I would consider to be with reasonable speed

                                               

                                              For a laptop, that would be an i7 processor, absolute minimum 8gig ram, nVidia graphics adapter for MPE in hardware, and either 2 hard drives or an SSD boot device and one hard drive for projects and video files

                                               

                                              Yes, you can buy less (as long as the screen resolution meets the minimum pixel size so you may see the entire program) and yes, that will mean you will have a very slow editing process

                                               

                                              If you are willing to accept slow editing then by all means buy a laptop that is a better fit for your budget (but do NOT go below the required screen resolution)

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                                              • 21. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                JEShort01 Level 4

                                                Alex Gerulaitis wrote:

                                                 

                                                 

                                                I have no clue how Z820 does on PPBM - I am married to neither, and find your jab rather strange given that Z820's core components (CPUs, memory, GPUs, hard drives) don't vary from any other C602 platform, sans overclocking. 

                                                Alex,

                                                 

                                                Your statements often defy simple logic:

                                                 

                                                • Your web site is advertising two variants of Z820 for sale (approx. $5k for single 2.3GHz CPU, approx $9k for dual 2GHz CPU), however you state you are not married to HP's Z820 - Hmmmmmmm...
                                                • You state that, "The vast majority of editing is simple transitions and effects with 10 minutes of YouTube encoding twice a week", and your web site's Entry Level System is over $4k. - Hmmmmmmm...
                                                • You have the time to post at this forum, you work for a company that sells video editing solutions, yet you claim to "have no clue" how a Z820 does on PPBM5, which would take less than one hour of your time - Hmmmmmm...

                                                 

                                                 

                                                 

                                                Jim

                                                 

                                                (a forum participant that has gained so much from this forum and PPBM5 and wishes to pay it forward when I feel that I can assist others here)

                                                • 22. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                  Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                  Again a wrong assumption. Take a simple 3 hour DV single track timeline on a single disk 5400 RPM system, way faster in CPU than a Pentium 4, in contrast to a fast system and the export time is around 12,600 seconds on a single 5400 RPM disk and around 20 seconds on a fast system. That is a whopping 630 times slower.

                                                  Harm, you export 3-hour DV timelines all day long? I am sorry.   I'd rather you edit.

                                                   

                                                  On top of that, you somehow think exporting 3-hour DV timelines is a major part of the majority of workflows?  Touche.

                                                   

                                                  And yes, I'd be insane to export a 3-hour timeline to the same drive, especially if it's a 5400rpm one.  As insane as demanding everybody has two disks regardless of the type of editing they do.

                                                   

                                                  Which part of, "practical minimum system requirements depend on the type of editing and workflow demands" do you find questionable?

                                                  • 23. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                    Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                    JEShort01 wrote:

                                                     

                                                    Your statements often defy simple logic

                                                    Speaking of defying simple logic... Jim, weren't you the one who called my post misleading based on what seems a reading comprehension lapse, yet never to apologize?  If that's the "simple logic" you subscribe to, could you please refrain from commenting on my posts?  I'm just concerned how misreading can so quickly turn into calling someone "misleading", and would rather we avoid that on a public forum.

                                                    • You state that, "The vast majority of editing is simple transitions and effects with 10 minutes of YouTube encoding twice a week", and your web site's Entry Level System is over $4k. - Hmmmmmmm...

                                                    We gotta watch for reading comprehension lapses, Jim - looks like it's another one.  The type of solutions my company sells has little to do with the "vast majority of editing", and scouring that web site for clues to my logic - is rather strange, given that I didn't bring the Z820 up - that was Harm.

                                                    • 24. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                      What?

                                                       

                                                      And yes, I'd be insane to export a 3-hour timeline to the same drive, especially if it's a 5400rpm one.

                                                       

                                                      In your previous post you said:

                                                       

                                                      Someone editing 25Mbs DV files and outputting them to YouTube - can work on a $500 i3 laptop with a single 5400rpm drive just fine.

                                                       

                                                      I can't find any logic in your statements. On the one hand you can work just fine on a single 5400 rpm drive, but you have to be insane to do that. Encoding 12 minutes DV material to YouTube on a single 5400rpm drive, that surpasses Adobe minimum requirements, takes around 144 HOURS (6 days), at least after 2 hours of encoding it shows still 182 hours to go. On a fast system this takes around 8 minutes with the slow approach using the queue, and around 96 seconds with direct export. And the best part of it is that you can't remove the laptop from the wall outlet during those 6 days of encoding, thereby making the portability of a laptop a non-issue.

                                                       

                                                      That is only 1,080 times slower and even more when using Direct Export on a fast system, more than 5,000 times slower. IMO you have to be insane to advise people to adhere to or look at the minimum requirements Adobe publishes. I have always said the minimum requirements allow you a problem-free installation of the program, and for that purpose a single drive with at least 24.5 GB free space is sufficient, even if it is a 5400 or 4800 drive. Adobe does not mention a minimum speed.

                                                       

                                                      If you want more than just INSTALLING the program and you want to USE it, then the minimum requirements are absolutely ridiculous for PR, AME and AE.

                                                       

                                                      Jim was right that often you defy simple logic.

                                                       

                                                      Exporting a 3 hour timeline or a 10 minute timeline makes no difference in performance. A fast system is still around 630 times faster on DV Export. On exporting DV to YouTube a fast system is still more than 1,000 times faster than a notebook that exceeds Adobe minimum requirements.

                                                       

                                                      With these facts established, I can not understand why you are so stubborn in calling a two disk practical requirement 'bogus' and at the same time say it is 'just fine' to edit with a single disk, but you have to be insane to use only a single disk.

                                                       

                                                      There is no logic at all in your statements, at least I cannot discern it. The only thing I see is a strict adherence to the letter of the law, in this case Adobe's law.

                                                       

                                                      I hope that these practical tests, including exporting DV to YouTube opens your eyes to the utterly unrealistic marketing tricks by Adobe.

                                                       

                                                      You know I often defend Adobe, but here they have screwed up so majorly with very misleading information that it ultimately results in bad feelings about the company. On the longer term it is very destructive. If we forget about OE in the questions asked here, but look only at people very disappointed with their systems performance, hiccups, jitters, choppy playback and issues like that, it is often caused by people believing the Adobe minimum requirements and making their purchasing decision based on these and ending up with a system that just is not capable of what they see in demonstrations, on-line video's and training movies. That is not good.

                                                      • 25. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                        Jeff Bellune Level 5

                                                        There's a lot of twisting of other people's words going on here, and it needs to stop.  There's a lot of unverified (non-peer-reviewed) information being tossed around as facts, and there are significantly skewed perspectives on both sides of the issue.

                                                         

                                                        Premiere Pro's price, especially with a cloud subscription, is no longer a barrier to casual hobbyists and novices.  We here can expect that the cross-section of users will range from complete beginners to extremely capable experts.  Some of the former type of user may not be willing to spend a ton of money on a higher-end system, and will be content to make due with lower-spec computers.  They should be warned, gently, that they may find the editing experience to be less than ideal.  But less-than-ideal is a very different thing than completely unacceptable.

                                                         

                                                        The minimum requirements listed by Adobe will work for certain types of footage and can meet certain editor's needs.  If an individual with no deadlines, no bosses and no income riding on the outcome of an editing session with Premiere Pro is willing to wait overnight or until the folowing day for an export to complete, then so be it.  If they come here to complain about how long it takes, or how they only get a few seconds of smooth playback in the timeline, then we can let them know that the solution involves cost -- either time or money, and sometimes both.

                                                         

                                                        Until that time, however, posting about system requirements that do not apply to everyone, and insisting that those requirements be met regardless of the user's real needs, doesn't help at all.  Conversely, there are serious limits to a low-end system that new users need to take into account before purchasing hardware.

                                                         

                                                        Jeff

                                                        • 26. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                          Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                          ... so stubborn...

                                                          That is my middle name.

                                                           

                                                          Second what Jeff said; people (and their performance needs) have different tolerance levels to what's slow.  For someone doing 10 minute cut-only videos with some titles and uploading them on YouTube once a week - almost anything is fast enough, and Adobe's minimum requirements will do.  For someone doing 4K music videos on tight deadlines, no computer is fast enough.

                                                           

                                                          It's really not about the rpm and the number of disks, as computers aren't socks, there isn't "one size fits all".  It's about what would work for that specific person.  It makes sense to ask what they are trying to do before tossing "two drives are a must", PPBM scores and export times around.

                                                          • 27. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                            StencilMedia Level 1

                                                            If you're still in the market for a new laptop then you can do far worse than the one I've just got: Toshiba Satellite L855 - 10W (£635 inc VAT)

                                                             

                                                            Quad Core i7-3630QM 2.4Ghz with Turbo Boost up to 3.2Ghz (Hyper Threading gives it 8 logical cores)

                                                            6Gb of 1600Mhz RAM which I've upgraded to 16Gb of RAM

                                                            750Gb Hard Drive

                                                            ATI HD7670M 2Gb Graphics Card

                                                            USB 3.0 (I use an external 3.0 drive with it)

                                                            15.4" 1366x768 screen (will output at up to 2k through the HDMI port though)

                                                             

                                                            I did plenty of research and it was the best set up I could find for After Effects that was under £1000. I would have preferred an NVIDIA card for the 'cuda action' but the card works well with things like Element 3D. A Full HD screen would have been nice as well, but I can live without it. Never knew about the 900 pixels minimum but this is the 5th laptop I've used with AE, (all of which had less than 900) and I've never had any problems. That's on 7.0, CS4, CS5, CS5.5 and CS6.

                                                             

                                                            I agree that like for like you're going to get loads more for your money when it comes to a desktop, but I've always preferred laptops and I travel around lot so it's good to be able to work on the road. And as I've always worked on latops I've got a kind of "don't know what you're missing as you've never had it" kind of outlook when it comes to desktop performance vs laptop performance.

                                                             

                                                            I'm not saying that anybody here is wrong... I'm sure most here know a lot more than me when it comes to After Effects, but I've never had a 900+ screen or dual 7,400 drives and I've not really come across any problems. And it's not like I'm just 'dabbling' for fun or anything, I'm no ILM, but I've done work for TV, the web, and some big companies.

                                                             

                                                            Anyway, good luck!

                                                             

                                                            Scott

                                                             

                                                             

                                                            • 28. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                              RjL190365 Level 4

                                                              Jeff,

                                                               

                                                              We all have different levels of "acceptability". For me, even though I am a casual user with no deadlines and no income, taking overnight to export several hours worth of single-layered HD (1080i/p) video (or one to two hours worth of multi-layered HD video) is tolerable - but waiting overnight to export a few seconds or even a few minutes worth of single-layered SD (480i) video is clearly unacceptable - and even taking overnight to export even a few minutes of single-layered HD video would have left me frustrated. On a system with such extremely sluggish levels of performance, I would not run or even install Premiere Pro CS6 at all.

                                                              • 29. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                Jeff Bellune Level 5

                                                                but waiting overnight to export a few seconds or even a few minutes worth of single-layered SD (480i) video is clearly unacceptable

                                                                Even my old P4 with Windows XP and 2 GB of RAM performed a lot better than that.  I edited DV and SD MPEG2 on it for years. 

                                                                taking overnight to export several hours worth of single-layered HD (1080i/p) video (or one to two hours worth of multi-layered HD video) is tolerable

                                                                Conversely, my current Dual Xeon system with a 4-disc RAID0 media drive would have a tough time finishing those tasks in less than "overnight".  And I consider its performance much better than "tolerable".

                                                                 

                                                                There is a huge performance gap between your two scenarios, and just about every existing device with a CPU (including my iPhone!) will be able to work and perform somewhere in between. 

                                                                 

                                                                Jeff

                                                                • 30. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                  420Production Level 1

                                                                  I got the ASUS N56VZ! It's really fast, so far so good. Thanks for the advice anyway.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                    StencilMedia Level 1

                                                                    Glad you managed to get it sorted. I've taken a look at the specs and it's looking like a pretty impressive peice of kit. If I had an extra couple of hundred lying around then that would probably be the one I'd have gone for... you'll be glad of the Nvidia card if you're doing a lot of editing in Premiere. I'd upgrade the RAM to 16Gb when you get chance though, you should notice much better performance.

                                                                     

                                                                    Just wanted to cover a couple of the other points raised in this thread... I'm working on a laptop and I thought I'd test my performace based on some of the comments made. So I've added a three hour, single layer DV clip to my timeline in Premiere Pro, and set it to render. Well, I took a five minute clip and duplicated it a bunch of times to get to three hours. I have two external USB3.0 drives, but for the purposes of the test: my footage, OS, AE and output location are all on my internal 5,400 drive. I disconnected all other drives. You can see my full specs a bit higher up in the thead, but it's a quad core i7 with 16Gb of RAM. 

                                                                     

                                                                    Total time remaining: 33 minutes and I think it said around 40 minutes when I started it running.

                                                                     

                                                                    Sure, some might consider that fast, some might consider it mediocre, but I don't think it could be classed as 'mind-numbingly slow' if a three hour clip is rendering at less than an hour. If a desktop is going to render that at 1000 times faster then surely that would take less than five seconds?!

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                     

                                                                    I'm not disagreeing with what people are saying here (maybe apart from that AE/Pr won't run if you don't have a 900+ pixel screen!), the fact that faster external drives and a dektop over a laptop will give better perfromance are all very valid. However, suggesting that rendering a three hour film will take weeks on a modern latop is far from accurate.

                                                                     

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                                                                    EDIT: Yep, took 39 minutes in total. Someone mentioned rendering out 12 minutes worth of footage as well, so I thought I'd give that a try. That took just over 2 minutes.

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                                                                    • 32. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                      This is not a reasonable comparison, but exporting a three hour DV timeline on my machine (similar with replicated clips to create that length) takes around 21 seconds on my system in contrast to your 39 minutes. That means 21 seconds versus 2340 seconds. Over 110 times slower on your machine. If that does not bother you, great. The factor 1,000 came in when using a Pentium 4 with minimal memory as specced by Adobe.

                                                                       

                                                                      For a better comparison, try your exercise on a Pentium 4 with 4 GB memory and a single 5400 disk and see how long it takes.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                        StencilMedia Level 1

                                                                        21 seconds?! That's pretty impressive, I'll give you that!

                                                                         

                                                                        As for the "when using a Pentium 4" thing, that's not really a fair comparison either... it's not like the OP would even be able to buy a new Pentium 4 Latop if he wanted to. All of the commercially available laptops today are going to be a load faster, with mulit-core processing and more room for faster RAM.

                                                                         

                                                                        I completely agree 100% that a desktop is going to be better than a latop in pretty much every way (apart from size and portability) but I just feel the comparison was a bit weighted in favour of your argument. So I don't understand why comparing a really low specced laptop with what is probably a very high specced desktop would be a better comparison. Surely comparing my results (on a laptop closer in spec to the one the OP has just bought) would be a better comparison? Ah well, he's bought it now anyway and it looks pretty decent as far as latops go.

                                                                         

                                                                        I did run the test again using my external 3.0 drive and that took it down to 29 minutes which is a bit better. I don't really see it being a problem though. Yes, faster is always better (especially if you have a client breathing down your neck!), but if I've just finished working on a three hour video; then a cup of tea, a cigarette and a bit of a chill out is in order... the 29 minutes would be a welcome enforced break!

                                                                        • 34. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                          Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                                          exporting a three hour DV timeline on my machine (similar with replicated clips to create that length) takes around 21 seconds on my system in contrast to your 39 minutes

                                                                          That translates to over 1.6GB/s combined r/w transfer rates - more if his timeline has more than one video layer.

                                                                           

                                                                          (How I calculated that: 25Mbit/s * 60 * 60 / 8 translates to DV material taking about 11.25GB per hour.  It's actually more but let's simplify. Three hours - 33.75GB. Reading that in 21 seconds - 1.6GB/s.  That does not include writing the output file (which usually has 1/10th of the source bandwidth or so) or the possibility of a multi-layer sequence.)

                                                                           

                                                                          You can't get that transfer rate without dropping serious cash on a very good RAID controller plus either SSDs (rather unusual choice for media storage) or 12+ fast HDDs.  Twelve 2TB enterprise class HDDs alone are $3K.

                                                                           

                                                                          So Harm's idea that using a few 7200rpm hard disks could magically cut export times by a factor of 110 - is rather unusual given what he is not telling us.

                                                                          • 35. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                            Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                            exporting a three hour DV timeline on my machine (similar with replicated clips to create that length) takes around 21 seconds on my system in contrast to your 39 minutes

                                                                             

                                                                            This system is fully documented and available to see, for those interested. See http://ppbm7.com/index.php/final-results?showall=&start=2

                                                                             

                                                                            That does not include writing the output file (which usually has 1/10th of the source bandwidth or so) or the possibility of a multi-layer sequence.)

                                                                             

                                                                            Wrong assumption. It does include writing. And the bandwidth is a bit higher than you assume too.

                                                                             

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                                                                            So Harm's idea that using a few 7200rpm hard disks could magically cut export times by a factor of 110 - is rather unusual given what he is not telling us.

                                                                             

                                                                            Those are your words, not mine.  I only compared to My system.  But it appears you have overlooked or not read my messages. What am I not telling?

                                                                            • 36. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                              Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                                              Wrong assumption. It does include writing.

                                                                              Et tu, Brutus, with reading comprehension lapses? I was referring to my calculations, not your actual bandwidth.  "Wrong assumptions" - always your opponent's, never yours?

                                                                              Those are your words, not mine. What am I not telling?

                                                                              What it actually takes to achieve the dramatic difference in export times.

                                                                              • 37. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                                Harm Millaard Level 7

                                                                                English not being my native tongue, only an acquired taste, forgive me for misinterpreting your post.

                                                                                 

                                                                                What it actually takes to achieve the dramatic difference in export times.

                                                                                 

                                                                                Good transfer rates. Keep in mind that SATA is a half duplex connection, so effective R/W rates on a single disk can easily be halved from what the marketeers claim.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                                  Alex - DV411 Level 2

                                                                                  Good transfer rates.

                                                                                  If that's the bottleneck in that particular system, sure.  Far from a universal recipe though - i.e. I certainly wouldn't go around touting transfer rates without checking the workflow specifics and the rest of the system.

                                                                                  Keep in mind that SATA is a half duplex connection, so effective R/W rates on a single disk can easily be halved from what the marketeers claim.

                                                                                  Would you be willing to provide a benchmark proving that a single SAS drive would have a significantly higher performance vs. a single SATA drive, in certain scenarios, all other things being equal?  If not, why even bring it up?  With average spinning disks' media transfer rates being a quarter of SATA III line speeds, do you really think half-duplex can be of any significance here?

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Laptop for editing with Adobe Premiere & After Effects CS6
                                                                                    RjL190365 Level 4

                                                                                    Harm Millaard wrote:

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Good transfer rates. Keep in mind that SATA is a half duplex connection, so effective R/W rates on a single disk can easily be halved from what the marketeers claim.

                                                                                    You also have to take the combined simultaneous internal throughput of a specific drive into consideration. Different model drives with otherwise identical physical transfer rates may deliver wildly differing internal transfer rates (as reflected in the file-copy tests from one folder to another folder on the exact same physical drive). Two drives may have similar maximum and minimum sequential transfer rates (185 MB/s maximum and 80 MB/s minimum), but one can transfer internally at up to 90 MB/s while the other might struggle at only 30 MB/s internal throughput.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    In addition, you are correct in assuming that the maximum physical transfer rate also effectively gets halved with a half-duplex connection. But then, as stated in the above paragraph, there is the maximum internal transfer rate of a specific disk (which is almost always lower than the maximum sequential transfer rate of that same disk) to deal with. This slows down the performance of PCs that use a single disk for absolutely everything including the OS even further than is implied by the mere theoretical half-duplex performance drop.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    As for SAS, sure, the interface may allow simultaneous reads and writes. But then, you'd still run into the single disk's internal throughput limitations.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    Now I can see how a single 5400rpm laptop hard drive can be woefully inadequate for video editing, especially when used as the sole disk for absolutely everything and for HD content: While many such drives can deliver 90 MB/s to or from the disk to the disk's buffer memory, their internal transfer rate (when copying large files from folder to folder within the exact same disk) can be significantly lower than 10 MB/s.

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