16 Replies Latest reply on Aug 14, 2006 5:09 AM by Newsgroup_User

    Site compatibility.

    Ricsta
      I was hoping someone could help me out. I think it's a simple fix, but since I don't have extensive experience with web design I am stuck.

      Page is:
      http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/hndFrame.htm

      Top banner image is locked in IE, but movable in Firefox.

      Also, there is an image to the right of the banner, which show up in IE on my PC, but not on other PCs, and also does not show up in Firefox.
        • 2. Re: Site compatibility.
          Level 7
          There's a problems with your top frame... missing picture. - it's pointing
          to your hard drive

          <div id="Layer1" style="position:absolute; width:117px; height:85px;
          z-index:1; left: 876px; top: 1px;"><img
          src="file:///F|/Disk%20pt1/HND/newHND/Images/Top_files/4Play@Play_extended.gif"
          width="200" height="133"></div>

          Also you are using a layer which is an absolutely positioned div, which will
          stay at the coordinates that it has been given... The rest of the page will
          move, but that layer will stay where it has been set.

          I would also consider renaming the worder 'banner' whereever you have used
          the word. This word can be banned by certain av popup blockers.



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          "Ricsta" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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          >I was hoping someone could help me out. I think it's a simple fix, but
          >since I
          > don't have extensive experience with web design I am stuck.
          >
          > Page is:
          > http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/hndFrame.htm
          >
          > Top banner image is locked in IE, but movable in Firefox.
          >
          > Also, there is an image to the right of the banner, which show up in IE on
          > my
          > PC, but not on other PCs, and also does not show up in Firefox.
          >


          • 3. Re: Site compatibility.
            Level 7
            Result: Failed validation, 16 errors
            Address:



            • 4. Re: Site compatibility.
              Level 7
              Umm - great.

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              "Steve" <steve@nospam.com.please> wrote in message
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              > Result: Failed validation, 16 errors
              > Address:
              >
              >
              >


              • 5. Re: Site compatibility.
                Level 7

                "Steve" <steve@nospam.com.please> wrote in message
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                > Result: Failed validation, 16 errors
                > Address: www.macromedia.com
                >
                >
                >


                • 6. Re: Site compatibility.
                  Level 7


                  > "Steve" <steve@nospam.com.please> wrote in message
                  > news:ear46a$5cc$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                  >> Result: Failed validation, 16 errors
                  >> Address: www.adobe.com
                  >>
                  >>
                  >>
                  >
                  >


                  • 7. Re: Site compatibility.
                    Level 7
                    What *is* your point?

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                    "Steve" <steve@nospam.com.please> wrote in message
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                    >
                    >
                    >> "Steve" <steve@nospam.com.please> wrote in message
                    >> news:ear46a$5cc$1@forums.macromedia.com...
                    >>> Result: Failed validation, 16 errors
                    >>> Address: www.adobe.com
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>
                    >>
                    >
                    >


                    • 8. Re: Site compatibility.
                      Ricsta Level 1
                      One of the errors indicatede at the validation site....

                      ****************************************
                      Error Line 18, column 44: there is no attribute "FRAMEBORDER" .

                      <frameset rows="175,*" cols="*" frameborder="NO" border="0" framespacing="0">

                      You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the document type you are using does not support that attribute for this element. This error is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict" document type with a document that uses frames (e.g. you must use the "Transitional" document type to get the "target" attribute), or by using vendor proprietary extensions such as "marginheight" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve the desired effect instead).

                      This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in the document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no supported attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error message for further information.

                      How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute, (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check that they are both allowed in the chosen document type, and/or use CSS instead of this attribute.
                      *****************************************

                      What does all this mean?

                      I validated http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/banner.htm as well to see if my original problem would be solved, but still no idea.
                      • 9. Re: Site compatibility.
                        Level 7
                        Good grief - that animated GIF image is 4.5MB. You need to rethink the use
                        of that thing - Flash would be much more suitable.

                        Link me to your frameset, please.

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                        "Ricsta" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                        > One of the errors indicatede at the validation site....
                        >
                        > ****************************************
                        > Error Line 18, column 44: there is no attribute "FRAMEBORDER" .
                        >
                        > <frameset rows="175,*" cols="*" frameborder="NO" border="0"
                        > framespacing="0">
                        >
                        > You have used the attribute named above in your document, but the document
                        > type you are using does not support that attribute for this element. This
                        > error
                        > is often caused by incorrect use of the "Strict" document type with a
                        > document
                        > that uses frames (e.g. you must use the "Transitional" document type to
                        > get the
                        > "target" attribute), or by using vendor proprietary extensions such as
                        > "marginheight" (this is usually fixed by using CSS to achieve the desired
                        > effect instead).
                        >
                        > This error may also result if the element itself is not supported in the
                        > document type you are using, as an undefined element will have no
                        > supported
                        > attributes; in this case, see the element-undefined error message for
                        > further
                        > information.
                        >
                        > How to fix: check the spelling and case of the element and attribute,
                        > (Remember XHTML is all lower-case) and/or check that they are both allowed
                        > in
                        > the chosen document type, and/or use CSS instead of this attribute.
                        > *****************************************
                        >
                        > What does all this mean?
                        >
                        > I validated http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/banner.htm as well to see if my
                        > original problem would be solved, but still no idea.
                        >


                        • 10. Re: Site compatibility.
                          Ricsta Level 1
                          Hi ACE,

                          http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/hndFrame.htm

                          I'll look into that GIF and reduce the size at least, then look into Flash.

                          Cheers.
                          • 11. Re: Site compatibility.
                            Level 7
                            I don't hold much hope of being able to make that GIF animation any smaller.
                            GIF 'movies' are monsters - this one is no exception.

                            HTML contains no instance of 'border', 'frameborder', or 'framespacing'.
                            They are invalid HTML and that's what's causing the validator to throw the
                            errors you are getting. In addition, the W3 defined the <noframes> tags as
                            being placed INSIDE the closing </frameset> tag, e.g.,

                            <noframes><body></body></noframes>
                            </frameset>

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                            "Ricsta" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                            > Hi ACE,
                            >
                            > http://www.hoppndrop.com.au/hndFrame.htm
                            >
                            > I'll look into that GIF and reduce the size at least, then look into
                            > Flash.
                            >
                            > Cheers.


                            • 12. Re: Site compatibility.
                              Ricsta Level 1
                              Why does Dreamweaver place commands like those if they are not HTML?
                              • 13. Re: Site compatibility.
                                Level 7
                                You would have to ask Macromedia....

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                                "Ricsta" <webforumsuser@macromedia.com> wrote in message
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                                > Why does Dreamweaver place commands like those if they are not HTML?


                                • 14. Re: Site compatibility.
                                  Level 7
                                  Ricsta wrote:
                                  > Why does Dreamweaver place commands like those if they are not HTML?

                                  They are proprietary to some browser(s), and I'm guessing that DW allows
                                  you to use them because it assumes that you will understand this, and
                                  weigh the pros and cons of using them in each case. If you decide it's
                                  OK to use them, you can. It doesn't force you to, it doesn't prevent you.

                                  Unfortunately there is no check box in the DW GUI that says "Allow me to
                                  insert valid code only."

                                  Bear in mind DW dates from a time when using proprietary code was
                                  widespread and few people cared about whether something was valid HTML
                                  or not so long as it worked. Now, with HTML + CSS most of these effects
                                  can be achieved validly, and for a broader range of browsers.

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                                  • 15. Re: Site compatibility.
                                    Ricsta Level 1
                                    What would be some valid code to use instead of 'framespacing' and 'border' or can I simply remove and see?

                                    Also, been looking at the W3Schools site, and there is HTML code 'frameborder'! If this is right, what would the error be then?

                                    Cheers.
                                    • 16. Re: Site compatibility.
                                      Level 7
                                      Ricsta wrote:

                                      > What would be some valid code to use instead of 'framespacing' and 'border' or
                                      > can I simply remove and see?

                                      I'd remove and see. If this brings your frames too close to each other,
                                      you could try adding page margins to the framed pages.

                                      I just use the invalid properties, myself. Nothing bad happens when I
                                      do, except the page won't validate, but it doesn't bother me since I
                                      just use validation as a way to find errors that I do care about. But
                                      that's just me.

                                      > Also, been looking at the W3Schools site, and there is HTML code
                                      > 'frameborder'! If this is right, what would the error be then?

                                      I don't know. There is also a "border" property, which may be the
                                      correct way to remove frame borders. Try keeping your "border" property
                                      and removing the "frameborder."

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