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1. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Curt Y Dec 19, 2012 1:55 PM (in response to Sverk)What type of images? If RAW believe most of this is kept in XMP file. If jpeg or others it is written to the image itself. If the keyword is in italics it means it is not permanent and will not show up if Bridge closed. To make it permanent you have to visit each picture with a keyword and right click and choose "make persistant". The search function works good for this. Right click and choose find.
If you want to replace the list one can do that. Location? What OS?
Hope this gets you rolling.
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2. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Omke Oudeman Dec 19, 2012 2:04 PM (in response to Sverk)Perhaps I could find it on my system or some backup.
Depending on your system, on a Mac the keyword list is saved in the user library:
User (your name)/ library / application Support / Adobe / Bridge CS5 / and inhere find and copy the file called: "Adobe Bridge Keywords.xml" and place it in the same location but then CS6 (you have to replace the existing file there because it is by default created as a new empty file in CS6)
Maybe Curt will provide you the path for Windows.
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3. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Sverk Dec 27, 2012 12:49 PM (in response to Omke Oudeman)Thanks for the name of the file: Adobe Bridge Keywords.xml
However, I have not been able to find any older version of it, the missing one from CS5.
Not in any backup. Only the current one, empty except for a few defaults.
What has happened, I think, is that after I upgraded from Windows XP to Win 7, it got overwritten when I thereafter installd the Photoshop CS6 upgrade.
My last chance, it seems is that the old keyword file was included in the recommended transfer file, called:
Windows Easy Transfer - Items from old computer.MIG
If so, it probably got restored into Win7, but then removed when I uninstalled CS5 in prep for the CS6 installation.
I still have that huge transfer file on an external hd.
Problem is, I don't know any way of searching and extracting a file from it.
Would you know any way to do that?
Thanks in advance!
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4. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Curt Y Dec 27, 2012 1:27 PM (in response to Sverk)Omke gave you instructions to find file on a Mac as you did not state what OS you are using. From your last post it appears to be Win7.
If CS5 is running easy was to get the keyword hierarchy is to export keyword file, and import on CS6. Find the option in keywords panel dropdown box in upper right corner.
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5. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Omke Oudeman Dec 27, 2012 2:23 PM (in response to Sverk)If so, it probably got restored into Win7, but then removed when I uninstalled CS5 in prep for the CS6 installation.
Since I only know about Mac this is a guess but normally uninstall Bridge is not deleting the keyword file unless you use the cleaner tool but also then doubt the keyword list file is deleted. However if you find the windows equivalent of the Mac Path I provided just open the old keyword file from CS5 in a text application and save it with a proper name on the desktop or elsewhere on a for you easy to find location.
Then use the option Curt provided to import this newly saved file and you should be back in business.
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6. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Sverk Dec 27, 2012 4:11 PM (in response to Omke Oudeman)Yes, I have found the path to the present version:
"C:\Users\Myself\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Bridge CS6\Adobe Bridge Keywords.xml"
But this is the only ocurrence of that filename, have run several searches with PowerDesk's file finder
And it is only the few default keywords in it.
Nothing left of the CS5 files.
I have also searched my two external disks, with no luck. The backup files in there do indeed contain the keyword file in CS5 version but, alas, too old, only the default keywords, obviously from just after I started using Bridge.
So I get back to the question if there might be a way to extract it from the transfer .MIG file.
With very high probability, it is in there.
Might you know if there is a way to do this?
If there isn't, I can only think of a very tedious way:
Disconnect the physical C: drive and plug in a fresh one instead.
Then Install Win 7, using the restoration file, and hope the CS5 file will show up.
Copy it out, swap back the original C:, and copy it in to replace the defauolt one.
Lots of work!
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7. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Curt Y Dec 27, 2012 4:37 PM (in response to Sverk)Unfamiliar with MIG file. The only thing you are going to gain is the keyword hierocracy as the keywords are on the image. So seems like it would be less pain to reconstruct the file structure than to do what you are proposing. For it to succeed you would have to have a backup copy of the roaming location files and reinstall CS5. But unless you saved them they were deleted with the uninstall.
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8. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Omke Oudeman Dec 28, 2012 1:59 AM (in response to Curt Y)So seems like it would be less pain to reconstruct the file structure than to do what you are proposing
I agree with that, often you are spending more time and effort then taking the loss and start rebuilding things manually. My goal would be to put the preview quality to 'prefer embedded' (using the little checkerboard icons top right in Bridge window) and in the folder panel point Bridge to the parent folder containing all your images.
Then go to menu view and choose 'Show items from subfolders' and let Bridge have some time building all the contents of the parent folder (hence the 'prefer embedded' option, this is fast, using HQ preview takes a lot of time and space).
When finished go to the keyword panel and this will show all keywords you have added previously in italic. Use right mouse click menu and choose 'make persistent'. Sadly enough you have to do this one by one, at least I don't know of a way to select them all.
Yes this can be painstakingly but at least you have your list back and now you also know the importance of backing up your stuff. Export the list regularly and also back it up so you won't run in this problem again.
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9. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Curt Y Dec 28, 2012 10:46 AM (in response to Sverk)Have not tried this but you may be able to do Ctrl F to bring up Find and then in keyword panel right click on keyword and choose find. Then highlight all and choose make persistant.
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10. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Sverk Jan 19, 2013 12:40 PM (in response to Curt Y)Thanks all for considering my problem and for the advice!
I was away from these matters for a while, now I'm back on it.
First let me mention that I did indeed find a program for looking into the big .MIG file.
But alas, the keywords file was not there, don't know why (thus it didn't matter to me that extraction of files from the .MIG didn't seem to work.)
Thus I was ready to follow the advice you guys gave me from the beginning, to recreate the keyword list from the image files. I made some use of the suggested Find / Keyword, chosing a particular keyword or just "exists" for a folder.
But I soon found out that my keyword structure needed several improvements, and thus I gave up simply hitting Make Persist.
Instead I am working my way on smaller chunks of files -- feels worth the trouble.
To make this work more efficient, it would be useful if there were a way to prevent Bridge from starting to immediately writing changes to the files on disk, doing it over and over again for each keyword I assign or remove.
Would be much better if I could make all changes in, say, a folder and then ask Bridge to write the changes to disk.
Do you know if there is an option to stop the immediate writing of changes?
I vaguely seem to remember I'v read about it, but now I can't find any such opotion.
(maybe this should be posted as a new question?)
Regards,
Sverker
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11. Re: Keywords lost in upgrading from cs5 to cs6
Omke Oudeman Jan 19, 2013 1:23 PM (in response to Sverk)Do you know if there is an option to stop the immediate writing of changes?
I vaguely seem to remember I'v read about it, but now I can't find any such opotion.
Sadly enough that is a no, Bridge is not multitasking and therefor you have to wait for a first round to be finished before starting the next round, if not you will find some of the keywords from the first session have not been written to the files.
Usually selecting the bunch you want to change and hit some checkmarks for keywords until the activity bar bottom left starts to run, then you have to wait for it to finish
You could also create a new list in a text application (8 bit unicode like the most default simple text apps that came with your system.
A keyword starts at the beginning of the rule, hit return and 1 tab for a sub keyword and for every nested sub keyword further use 1 tab extra
Keyword
Sub keyword 1
Sub keyword 2
Other keyword
other sub keyword 1
etc. etc.
Don't forget to export your new list regularly as a back up so you can import it easily when needed.

