18 Replies Latest reply: Jan 9, 2013 5:07 PM by the_wine_snob RSS

    Original File Fine, Output File Noisy

    LivingstonAtLarge

      I did some editing and such on a .mov file last night and when I played it back it was pretty noisy. I thought maybe it was because I shot from the hip so to speak before I learned about doubling the frame rate for shutter speed etc.

       

      However, I happened to play the original file today and notice it is not noisy at all, so somehow in post processing I introduced the noise?

       

      Thanks,

      Ginger

        • 1. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
          John T Smith CommunityMVP

          >somehow in post processing

           

          Well... what did you DO to the video?

           

          What effects did you use, and what was your export setting?

           

          Some reading...

          Importing Video http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1065281

          -and project settings http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1112086

          Saving & Sharing http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1051093

          Sharing for Computer http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1058237

          Steve's Basic Training Tutorials... steps are the same for several versions

          -http://forums.adobe.com/thread/537685

          • 2. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
            Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

            I'm with John.

             

            What model of camcorder did you shoot this video in and what format and resolution is it?

             

            What version of the program are you editing it in?

            • 3. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
              LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

              Shot with a Canon T3i

              HDV 1920x1080i 29.97

               

              Premier Elements 11

               

              What did I do? (Actually not much).

              Trim

              Highlights & shadows from the FX

              small amount of desaturation to get rid of a purple chromatic aberration on a shoreline.

               

              Exported as QT .mov

              HD 1080i 29.97 H.264, AAC 48kH

               

              It's me...from this convo yesterday

              http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1118374

               

              Thanks,

              Ginger

              • 4. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

                Well, this is what happens when you start a new topic mid-conversation. We can't see the history so we don't know what we've already discussed.

                 

                That said, what project settings do you see listed when you go to Edit/Project Settings?

                 

                Also, which Publish & Share options did you select to output your MOV?

                • 5. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                  LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                  Steve Grisetti wrote:

                   

                  Well, this is what happens when you start a new topic mid-conversation. We can't see the history so we don't know what we've already discussed.

                   

                   

                  WHAT? You're not mind readers????

                  I thought starting a new convo for a new problem might be in order I'll learn the ropes.

                   

                   

                  Project setting are still same as the file. DSLR, HDV 1920 x1080 etc.

                   

                  Output settings

                  Exported as QT .mov

                  HD 1080i 29.97 H.264, AAC 48kH

                   

                  I played around experimenting with another project today and it seems I am introducing the noise when adding the FX highlights and shadows. Even when I control the amount. So I guess as long as I know that I can work with it. Better in camera control.

                   

                  Thanks,

                  Ginger

                  • 6. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                    the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                    I find Shadow & Highlight to be a useful Effect, but it can "get ugly" quickly. I also do not find the Auto Shadow & Highlight function to be that useful, unless everything stays the exact same in the whole Clip, such as lighting and exposure.

                     

                    I also like to use the Levels Effect first, then a bit of "touchup" with S&H. Not sure if PrE now has the non-Auto version of Levels, but if not, then 3-way Color Corrector can do much the same, with even more control.

                     

                    For video noise, usually apparent, when the Clip is underexposed to begin with, I use Neat Video. I believe that it works in PrE. In PrPro, and even on my workstation, Neat Video does take some time to process and Render. Still, with some tweaking, it is very useful - albeit slow. I probably use it most, when restoring and editing older VHS tapes. [There is a stills version, Neat Image, that works great in Photoshop.]

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                      John T Smith CommunityMVP

                      If you do start a new discussion that is related to or a continuation of a different discussion, all you need to do is post the link to the other discussion so people have an easy way to find out what was discussed before

                       

                      Such as http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1118374

                      • 8. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                        LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                        Thanks Guys!

                         

                        All good info.

                        I got a screaming deal today on a Canon 100MM 2.8 and had to go try it out on snow drops. So of course, I also had to see if it's video friendly....so I have a lot more footage to play with.

                         

                        Ginger

                        • 9. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                          LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                          Ackkk....ok. On further experimentation. The noise is happening...in the rendering.

                           

                          My rendering options in changing rendering are limitied to maximize bit depth and optmize still. Neither of those seem to be helpful.

                          Does this mean my input project settings are still incorrect?

                           

                          Shooting in with Canon T3i

                          HDV 1920x1080 29.97 fps

                          4:3

                           

                          Premier Elements 11

                          Project Settings:

                           

                           

                          General:

                          Editing Mode 1080i

                          Time Base 29.97fps

                          Fields: Upper Field First

                          Display Format 30fps Drop Frame Timecode

                          Titale Safe Area 20% x 20%

                          Action Area 10% x10%

                           

                          Capture :HDV

                           

                          Render:

                          File Format:I-Frame Only MPEG

                          Compressor: MPEG I-Frame

                           

                          Export Settings:

                          Output:

                          1920x1080, 29.97, upper, Quality 90

                          48000 Hz, Stero

                          Source

                          Clip, Sequence 02

                          1920x1080 (1.0) 29.97fps, progressive, 00;00;21;09

                          48000 Hz, Stero

                           

                          Video Codex: H.264

                           

                          Limit Data Rate to 10,000 kpbs is checked.

                           

                          Also I noticed "Export Audio" is checked, but I have no audio. I delete it.

                           

                           

                          Thanks,

                          Ginger

                          • 10. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                            There are a couple of ways to handle posts with different topics, but related to perhaps the same specifications (computer, Projects, Source Files, etc.).

                             

                            With multiple questions/problems, I like to separate the posts, rather than have one, that covers so very much territory. Often, we see posts posing a dozen questions/problems, and then the Replies start coming in, but only address some of them. If the responders do a good job of block quoting, it's usually OK, but often questions/problems get missed. I might have something to offer on 4 of the 12, and so might the next person. Over time, all points might get addressed, but not that often. A question, or two, almost always gets left off. By separating the questions/problems, contributors can address them one-at-a-time, which is usually most efficient.

                             

                            However, what does the OP do, so that the necessary data is provided in each? John T. points to one method. Another would be to do a Copy/Paste of the necessary data, and make sure that it is included, where necessary. I like the latter, as it does not then require responders to have multiple windows, or tabs open, and go back and forth between them. Some people might be trying to help out on a dozen threads in a given day, and keeping each separate can be an issue. I try to help them out, however I can. Now, the Copy/Paste method DOES make the thread a bit longer, but keeps things in front of the responders.

                             

                            If I have multiple problems, and some might relate to my system, while others might be specific to my Project, I will do a WordPerfect document with ALL of the info in it, system, Project, Source Footage, Applied Effects, etc., and then selectively Copy/Paste from that.

                             

                            Also, if I come up with another problem, I will re-state what I believe is the pertinent data, so that responders can see that quickly. If I feel that there are Replies, that might be useful in that thread, but appeared in the previous one, then I always link to it, and explain why I have done so.

                             

                            It takes some experience in these forums (or any, that are similar), to know what necessary info is, in opposition to information overload. We see the latter, when one does a Copy/Paste of a 20 page crash log, etc.. Not easy to read, and often really tough to extract any useful data from. I feel the same about posts that are 90% the gory details of how tight the deadline is, and how one's entire college semester hinges on getting the answer to finish the Project, before class the next morning. A quick statement of having a deadline is adequate to urge responders to "please hurry." [I won't go into a diatribe on using an unfamiliar program, at the last minute, for an important Project.]

                             

                            With John T's link to the previous thread, responders can head there for more info. I feel that neither method is 100% correct, or even wrong, in any way. Sometimes, it's just a personal choice, and if all the necessary data IS included elsewhere, then completely re-stating it, does make the thread fairly long.

                             

                            Hope that you get some useful responses, and can find fixes, or workarounds.

                             

                            Hunt

                            • 11. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                              LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                              I might have just gone on to the "overshare" part on my last post, but I'm sure this problem is something like when writing a website and  you stay up all night to find you missed a period in some place and so nothing is working right. I just don't know what that small bit of info is that I have incorrect so I just gave you everything I've got.

                               

                              I really appreciate all you guys and your help. I know this will all work at some point and I'm pretty dang Scottish determind. (and I have scotch to heal my wounds.)

                               

                              Thanks,

                              Ginger

                              • 12. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                                I'm still stuck on this :'(

                                 

                                I'm wondering if the issue is how I am viewing? I'm viewing full screen because for still photos we view at 100% for editing....but in video I'm not exactly sure what 100% is.

                                 

                                I tried asking that part on the SS forum but no one ever answered there.

                                 

                                At working size viewing (which is about the size of YouTube) everything looks fine. At full screen it's noisy.

                                 

                                Any input/ideas would be helpful.

                                 

                                Thanks,

                                Ginger

                                • 13. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                  vipul vaibhav Employee Hosts

                                  Hi Ginger

                                  Your source video is progressive, but you have used sequence setting with "upper field first" set in the field.

                                  The video from Canon T3i must be an mov. It is not HDV, HDV is from a tape based camera .

                                   

                                  Select a sequence from DSLR dropdown in new sequence setting.

                                  Then, make sure you've select progressive in fields in export dialogue as well.

                                   

                                  Hope it helps.

                                  • 14. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                    LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                                    Thanks! That is super helpful. I go look at it.

                                     

                                    It makes far more sense than it did last week. Everyday I'm learning more.

                                     

                                    Ginger

                                    • 15. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                      LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                                      Thanks so much!

                                       

                                      Totally fixed the problem.

                                       

                                      Ginger

                                      • 16. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                        vipul vaibhav Employee Hosts

                                        Thanks for reporting the results Ginger.

                                        Enjoy working on Premiere Elements

                                        • 17. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                          LivingstonAtLarge Community Member

                                          It's official now. I submitted all four videos to my stock agency portfolio and all four were accepted.

                                           

                                          THANKS SO MUCH~!

                                           

                                          Ginger

                                          • 18. Re: Original File Fine, Output File Noisy
                                            the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                                            Ginger,

                                             

                                            That is great news, and congradulations!

                                             

                                            Hunt