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1. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Steven L. Gotz Dec 26, 2012 8:59 PM (in response to lasvideo)Looks like it is both a lot of work and a lot of fun.
I see a few issues you'll need to work on, but then again you gave yourself a difficult starting point with the handheld shot in the first place.
I particulary liked the "O" in "No Smoking", but I am not fond of the lighter smoke. It lacks something, but I can't seem to put my finger on how to make it better. Your paint can has some problem staying in the floor.
Keep at it though. That kind of work will certainly pay off in the long run. Either financially or in the form of self satisfaction.
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2. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
lasvideo Dec 27, 2012 6:25 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Thanks for your observations, Steven.
I used the font Imapact for "No Smoking". I didnt do anything special with the "O". But I did use a blend mode to allow the font to look like its peeling paint.
I personally like the contrast tbetween the light smoke and the flamed dark smoke later. As well as being a visual joke in context to the No Smoking sign. It was interesting to see how particles worked in the piece as opposed to the practical smoke and flames.
The whole idea of using the handheld shot was to see how capable Syntheyes is in doing its tracking thing.
Honestly, this footage is part of a Syntheyes training course I am going thru. But I always like to take my learning process a step further then what is supplied by the instructor. Merely a learning exercise embellished.
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3. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Steven L. Gotz Dec 27, 2012 6:44 AM (in response to lasvideo)I had never heard of Syntheyes. Looks interesting. They say something about fixing rolling shutter. With my new camera, that might be quite useful. The price is rather prohibitive since all my money has been going to the new camera, lenses, etc.
I am not too good with blending modes, but I know what I like. Peeling paint should look like that. Nice.
I still can't quite put my finger on my issue with the smoke. Perhaps it is the level of opacity, or the lack of a certain organic feel. But then again, I don't have much experience with particle systems other than a little time spent with a copy of Particle Illusion I won a number of years back.
Edit: I want to say that none of this was meant as anything other than a little constructive criticism for the purpose of discussion among friends. I am not in any way attempting to belittle the work done. I certainly can't do it, and I can't seem to offer any advice to make it better, so please take this in the manner in which it is intended. I have just been accused by a third party via PM of criticizing posted examples more harshly than I should, but I really don't mean to be unfair in any way. I swear! I am about to post a series of pictures and videos from my new camera for the purpose of getting critical reviews and comments in order to improve my technique. Therefore, I am the last person who should be criticizing anyone else's work other than in an attempt to be helpful.
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4. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
lasvideo Dec 27, 2012 6:51 AM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)I understand your intent and appreciate your feedback. I enjoy doing and talking about this stuff.
I loved Particle Illusion when it first came out. It really does amazing things. When I disovered the 3D nature of Particular I tended to use it more. Genarts bought PI a little while ago from the original developer. Unfortunately they have prived it rather high.
The AE camera tracker most likely could do the same things Syntheyes did in this exercise. Syntheyes can do a lot more, but for camera tracking , AEs is pretty fantastic and FREE.
Heres a lit of some of the films that Syntheyes has been used on...
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5. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
lasvideo Dec 27, 2012 8:30 AM (in response to lasvideo)Revised version to correct slight tracking area on paint can. Thanks Stephen!
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6. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
shooternz Dec 27, 2012 12:37 PM (in response to lasvideo)Just my 2 cents worth.
Text tracking on the wall was great. All tracking was vg in fact.
I thought the smoke effects were a little to "dense" overall but particularly towards the edges.
I thought the flame was too sharp ( a key?) and too saturated.
Not sure about the tin can realism! Environ reflections needed maybe.
Fun exercise to do no doubt...and a very time consuming thing to polish and enhance.
Well done.
I have a real project in my suite that is pushing my skills and knowledge a little (a lot) at the moment as well. The learning and planning challenge is great fun to have.
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7. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
lasvideo Dec 27, 2012 1:56 PM (in response to shooternz)Thanks for the pennies shooternz.
Overall it pleases my sensibilities and captured my intentions, but we all have a different perspective on life
That project you are doing sounds very interesting. Id love to see what kind of things you are doing that are pushing your knowledge and skills.
Please share a snippit when you are done.
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8. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Steven L. Gotz Dec 27, 2012 7:39 PM (in response to lasvideo)Much better on the paint can. In fact, this time I noticed the reflections in the top of the can. Nice. It's the little things that matter, apparently. Even if you don't notice certain things, you notice when they are missing.
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9. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Bill Hunt Jan 1, 2013 5:57 PM (in response to lasvideo)Dang, that looks like my prison cell in Marrakech! I kept looking for my graffiti on the wall, but did not see it.
Nice work,
Hunt
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10. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Bill Hunt Jan 1, 2013 6:01 PM (in response to shooternz)Craig,
I thought the smoke effects were a little to "dense" overall but particularly towards the edges.
Actually, that was how I remembered the "smoke," but maybe by day 30, I was confused? Maybe a "little prison time" will alter one's perception?
Happy New Year - what is it in NZ, 2014 now?
Hunt
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11. Re: Old factory - clean plate and composite
Bill Hunt Jan 1, 2013 6:05 PM (in response to Steven L. Gotz)Interesting that you mention the "little things." I was a stickler for minute details, and told the clients that even tiny elements would play on a viewer's mind - they might not know WHAT was wrong, but definitely know that SOMETHING was wrong. That was why I would view the 4 x 5 Polaroids® with a 12x loupe, then pass it on to my gaffer, my rigger, and then any assistants, plus the stylist, before the AD even saw it. Little details DO matter.
Hunt




