15 Replies Latest reply: Jan 3, 2013 12:58 PM by dj_paige RSS

    RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required

    2013ALAM Community Member

      Please can someone help me with this.

      I look at my RAW images in Organiser and then I use the EDIT tap to move to the RAW IMAGE edit section with the image I want to edit.

      After I have edited the image- I move the image back to the main EDIT screen and then save as a Jpeg File in another folder.

       

      The problem I am having is, when I then go back to the Organiser, I cant open the unedited original RAW image again, not sure why this is?

      although I can see a small thamb-nail of the image it does not open but keeps on searching.

       

      Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

       

      Thank you in advance

        • 1. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
          Mylenium ACP/MVPs

          Ask in the PSE forum and provide better info like what version of PSE, what system, what camera etc...

           

          Mylenium

          • 2. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
            Jeff A Wright Adobe Employee

            Moving this discussion to the Photoshop Elements forum.

            • 3. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
              MichelBParis MVP

              2013ALAM wrote:

               

              Please can someone help me with this.

              I look at my RAW images in Organiser and then I use the EDIT tap to move to the RAW IMAGE edit section with the image I want to edit.

              After I have edited the image- I move the image back to the main EDIT screen and then save as a Jpeg File in another folder.

               

              The problem I am having is, when I then go back to the Organiser, I cant open the unedited original RAW image again, not sure why this is?

              although I can see a small thamb-nail of the image it does not open but keeps on searching.

               

              Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong?

               

              Thank you in advance

              To be sure I understand your workflow, I'll put it in my own words...

              - You select a raw file in the Organizer, and you choose to edit it in full edit/expert mode (that depends on the PSE version).

              - The file opens in the specific dialog panel of ACR, with its typical sliders

              - When you have done your edits there, you can either be satisfied with them (case 1) or want to do further editing in the PSE editor with layers or other tools (case 2)

              - case 1  - you simply click 'Done' and you are back in the organizer. The thumbnail is updated to show the edits.

              - case 2 - You click 'Open' and the file opens in the normal editor mode of PSE. You do further edits, and you save the result in the format and the folder you want. When you close the image in the editor, you get back to the Organizer. If you have set your 'save as'  with the right checkbox, the new jpeg is stored in the the Catalog as a version set.

               

              Your problem seems to be that once you have edited your original raw file, you don't see it in its original state without the edits ?

              If so, in the bar just under the tabs, you have a menu on the right (4 bars icon). You just set the choice to camera raw defaults, and you are shown the original raw image without your edits. Note that if you choose 'Shift + Open', you open a new copy without changing the previous settings saved in the xmp sidecar file.

              • 4. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                2013ALAM Community Member

                yes-sorry I am using Elements 11.

                and sorry for putting this on the wrong forum- but this website is not very usuer friendly!!

                 

                MichelBParis- yes you have understood that well.

                 

                After I have saved the image as a jpeg image in a diffirent folder- when i go back to Organiser the original image does not load back- although I can see the thamp-nail in the organiser- it just 'searches and searches' without finding the file

                • 5. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                  dj_paige Community Member

                  Paige is now confused.

                   

                  2013ALAM says, originally: "... when I then go back to the Organiser, I cant open the unedited original RAW image again, not sure why this is? although I can see a small thamb-nail of the image it does not open but keeps on searching."

                   

                  Michel paraphrases: "Your problem seems to be that once you have edited your original raw file, you don't see it in its original state without the edits" (which doesn't seem to me what 2013ALAM said, he said he can't open the file and it searches).

                   

                  2013ALAM responds: "MichelBParis- yes you have understood that well." and then goes on to restate that "it just 'searches and searches' without finding the file"

                   

                  The "searches and searches" part is particularly bothersome. The only thing I know of in the Organizer that would cause "searches and searches" is if the original RAW file is disconnected, as if somehow 2013ALAM (or some program) has renamed or moved or deleted the original RAW, and hasn't told us that he carried out that step.

                  • 6. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                    2013ALAM Community Member

                    DJ- yea thats what is happening

                    let be go step per step

                    1. I download all my Raw images on to the Hard Drive

                    2. I look at the Raw Images via Organizer

                    3.If I want to edit one of the RAW images- I clink on the EDIT tad at the bottom of the Organizer Screen

                    4. This take me to the RAW Image editor of Photoshop elements 11

                    5. After doing the edit i want to do to the RAW Image- I click the 'Open Image' tab on the bottom right of the Raw Image edit screen

                    6. this takes me to the 'normal' image Editor of Photoshop Elements 11

                    7. I save the image as a Jpeg on to a new file of my computer hard drive.

                    8. I go back to Organizer- as i look through all the other images and then if I go back to the thamb nail image of the Raw Image which I had edited in Step 3- this file does not open- it just starts searching and searching but cant find the file.

                    Not sure why this is happening?

                    Is it to do with the way I have saved the Jpeg?

                    It really does not make sence to me- Unless I am doing somehting wrong at the improting to the Organiser stage.

                     

                    I hope this helps?

                     

                    AL

                    • 7. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                      dj_paige Community Member

                      I really doubt that the JPG has anything to do with this problem.

                       

                      Can you describe what happens when this searching happens? Is there a message on the screen, or an icon on the screen, that indicates it is searching? Or is it something else that leads you to believe it is searching.

                       

                      How big are these RAW files? What camera do they come from? When you did the editing, did you do a lot of noise removal and/or a lot of sharpening?

                      • 8. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                        2013ALAM Community Member

                        The images are all from a Canon 7d and 5d

                        The message says "searching for missing file" and it goes through all my drives as the search begins and keeps on going..which to me does not make any sence

                         

                        I have done some noise removal and some sharping- but not on all the edits.

                        mainy colour correction and slight tweeking of an image

                         

                        al

                        • 9. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                          dj_paige Community Member

                          Are you using Windows? Which version?

                           

                          Are the original RAW photos on an external HD?

                          • 10. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                            2013ALAM Community Member

                            using windows 7

                            both the original Raw and the edited Jpeg are in the laptops hard drive in diffirent folders.

                            This just does not make sence to me as this has never been an issue.

                             

                            Both the raw and the edited Jpeg images have diffirent file names- there should not be any conflict between the un-edited raw images and the edied Jpeg images- thats what I just dont understand why I am getting this problem.

                             

                            has to be soemthing to do with the way I am using Organizer? No?

                            • 11. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                              dj_paige Community Member

                              The reason PSE is searching for your photos is that it cannot find them -- they are not in the location that PSE expects them to be in. This almost always happens becuase you, or some program, has moved or renamed or deleted the photos or the folder that contains them.

                               

                              Is there a question-mark icon in the rectangle around the images in the PSE organizer?

                               

                              You need to find a specific photo with this problem in your Windows Folders, and write down the exact folder path name and file name. Then you need to go into PSE and for the same photo, write down the exact folder path name and file name from PSE (right-click on the photo, select Show Properties, General Tab). Once you have both of these, you need to compare them, letter by letter, to see if they are identical. Report back.

                              • 12. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                                2013ALAM Community Member

                                DJ- thats what I dont understand. How can the photo have been moved when all the other photos are still there? This is only happening to photos that I am editing and saving with a diffirent name

                                The original photos will still have the same original name with a .RAW extension and should stay in the same file. I am using the 'save as' option to save under the Jpeg extension.

                                 

                                They dont have a question mark on them but rather the 'edit' icon the 'double sided of a box with a paint brush' in it.

                                • 13. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                                  dj_paige Community Member

                                  Did you actually check to see if the names matched? Just assuming the names match because they "should match" won't get us anywhere. We either need to eliminate name/folder changes as a possibilty, or determine that this is the problem.

                                   

                                  What do you mean by ".RAW", I thought your camera takes .CR2 photos. Do the photos names really end with .RAW?

                                  They dont have a question mark on them but rather the 'edit' icon the 'double sided of a box with a paint brush' in it.

                                  Please show us a screen capture.

                                  • 14. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                                    2013ALAM Community Member

                                    Yea I meant to type CR2 and not RAW

                                     

                                    I have being checking out a few Youtube videos to see if I have beening using this software in the correct way and I have noticed that on the Raw edit screen I have a few options missing

                                    The "recovery2 and 'Fill Lights' sliders are missing from my edit screen

                                     

                                    I wonder why that is?

                                    • 15. Re: RAW IMAGE EDITING -help required
                                      dj_paige Community Member

                                      If you have ACR 7 or later, then there are no recovery and fill light sliders. Adobe has replaced them with better tools.