17 Replies Latest reply: Jan 27, 2013 1:43 PM by infos@guewen.net RSS

    affichage flou des images raw avec bridge

    infos@guewen.net

      Bonjour, Hello.

       

      Sorry I wish it's better to post in english than french, but it is little difficult to explain it in english for me. I will try it later, but maybe, i hope, someone who's speaking french will come whith an answer.

       

      J'ai un problème d'affichage avec bridge sur les images raw.

       

      Pour infos je travaille sur des fichier RAW réalisées avec un réflex canon eos 7d et la version de mes logiciels : CS6 ; mis à jour régulièrement à partir de la plateform cloud.

       

      Je n'arrive pas à comprendre comment fonctionne l'affichage dans bridge. Quand l'image RAW s'affiche en plein ecran ou en mode vérification (CTRL + B), l'image semble ne pas être tout à fait net, il faut zoomer à 100% pour obtenir la netteté complète de l'image, dès que je reviens à l'affichage normal ou plein écran, un instant l'image semble être restée net et puis tout d'un coup elle redevient floue, il apparait comme un artéfact qui brouille légèrement l'image qui se trouve être particulièrement génant pour l'appréciation de la qualité réel d'une image.

       

      Certains me demanderons où est le problème, zoom sur ton image et tu sauras si elle est net ou pas.

       

      Certes j'en conviens mais c'est une méchante perte de temps quant on travaille sur des images d'une telle taille dans des dossiers comprenant parfois plusieurs centaines d'images. Cela ralentit considérablement le processus de sélection / ellimination.

       

      J'ai bien cherché à comprendre et à modifier les paramètres de configuration de bridge et meme de caméra raw... mais pour l'instant rien n'y a fait. J'ai toujours ce méchant artéfact qui apparait. Même en activant l'option créer les apperçus 100%, cela permet en laissant bridge travailler à l'avance sur le dossier de zoomer à 100% sans avoir à attendre que l'appercu 100% soit créé en direct. Mais cela reste pénible pour le travail de sélection.

       

      J'espère avoir pu expliquer suffisement clairement mon problème, mais en résumé c'est assez simple, j'aimerais bien que bridge arrête d'appliquer un filtre sur l'affichage plein écran qui nuit à la qualité des images.

       

      Je ne rencontre pas ce problèmes avec de petits freeware du type xnview ou fastone bien que ces derniers soit incapable d'interpréter correctement les informations de couleurs des fichiers raw, ils ont l'avantage d'afficher les images net mais ça n'est pas la solution que je recherche.

       

      Cordialement

       

      Guewen.

        • 1. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
          Omke Oudeman Community Member

          but it is little difficult to explain it in english for me.

           

           

          It is also difficult for me to read it and writing back in French is impossible...

           

          However with help of Google Translate (that sure needs some more development...) I think I understand what you mean.

           

          Your previews don't show in High Quality unless you zoom into 100 % (maybe Pierre will join the discussion to clarify better)

           

          For this you need to try and purge the cache for a folder to see if that helps.

           

          I switched my Bridge Language to French (Bridge preferences advanced) and will try to guide you.

           

          Point Bridge to the folder with the problem files showing in the content (Contenu) panel.

           

          Then go to the menu Tools/ cache/ purge cache for folder  ( Outils / mémoire cache / purger la mémoire cache du dossier: -name of the folder-) and let the cache build again. See if this helps.

           

          Also check if you have set previews to always High Quality. See the icons with checkerboard top right of Bridge window and from the right icon of the two choose: Toujours utiliser la haute qualité

           

          Hope this helps

          • 2. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
            infos@guewen.net Community Member

            Hello and thanks for the reply.

            Your previews don't show in High Quality unless you zoom into 100 % (maybe Pierre will join the discussion to clarify better)

             

            For this you need to try and purge the cache for a folder to see if that helps.

             

            If I purge the cache, then bridge build it again but it don't help.

             

             

             

            Also check if you have set previews to always High Quality. See the icons with checkerboard top right of Bridge window and from the right icon of the two choose: Toujours utiliser la haute qualité

             

            Hope this helps

             

             

            Always High quality is selected too but don't help more.

             

            I already knows about what you've suggested, but it is always helpful to say it again.

             

            thank you very much for trying to help me

            • 3. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
              Omke Oudeman Community Member

              If I purge the cache, then bridge build it again but it don't help

               

              Can you provide a screenshot so we can see what you see on your computer?

              • 4. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                infos@guewen.net Community Member

                The first screenshot is a part of the fullscreen view whith bridge

                VUE2.jpg

                 

                the seconde screenshot is the same part of fullscreen view with another soft.

                 

                VUE1.jpg

                 

                i hope this is ok

                • 5. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                  infos@guewen.net Community Member

                  The screenshot 1

                  VUE2full.jpg

                  The screenshot 2

                  VUE1full.jpg

                  • 6. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                    infos@guewen.net Community Member

                    And a part of the screenshot after zoom 100% whith bridge

                     

                    VUE3.jpg

                    • 7. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                      Omke Oudeman Community Member

                      The first screenshot is a part of the fullscreen view whith bridge

                       

                      In Bridge preferences look at advanced (Avancées) and select Generate monitor sized previews (Créer des aperçus adaptés à la taille de l'écran)

                       

                      Also be aware when you first select this option you have to purge the cache again to be effective, because it needs to rebuild the cache again.

                       

                      And building a 100 % preview takes a bit of time, depending on the file size and the speed of your computer.

                       

                      With the monitor sized preview set also try to use the space bar for providing a full screen preview, with this setting it normally gives a very good full screen quality

                      • 8. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                        infos@guewen.net Community Member

                        generate monitor sized was already select, i try to unselect it, purge cache, re-select, purge cache, rebuilt cache in the folder...

                         

                        but nothing good

                        • 9. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                          Omke Oudeman Community Member

                          but nothing better.

                           

                           

                          Sorry to hear that, can you provide details about what you are using: Computer, OS version, free disk space left, Amount of RAM, what graphic card (how much VRAM) and exact Bridge version.

                           

                          I'm off for now and try to come back tomorrow later on the day, maybe someone (Pierre??) will be joining.

                          • 10. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                            infos@guewen.net Community Member

                            computer : amd phenom II 1090T

                            Ram : DDR3 : 12 GB

                            os version : windows 7 ultimate

                            free disk space : system : 20 GB (disk ssd)

                                                          work disk for bridge : 66GB (another ssd disk)

                                                               photo disk storage : 800GB

                            Graphic card : PNY gforce 9800 gtx+ 512 GB ddr3

                            exact bridge cs6 version : 5.0.0.399 x64

                            • 11. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                              Omke Oudeman Community Member

                              exact bridge cs6 version : 5.0.0.399 x64

                               

                              You could first try to update Bridge because current CS6 version is 5.0.1.2.

                               

                              I'm also afraid I don't know very much of Windows and the use of SSD. Your specs should be sufficient but Curt is more a Windows man and he always talks about latest drivers for your graphic card.

                               

                              It might be you have performance problems due to the fact you use 3 disks (at least, that is what I understand from your details). If the Bridge Cache file is stored on one disk, the application on another and the files on a third (external?) disk the data has to travel over several connections.

                               

                              Also still not sure if your normal HQ preview is problematic or the 100 % view. If it is about 100 % it seems like a delay in performance, normal files need a short moment (sometimes a few seconds) to build the 100 % preview.

                              • 12. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                Curt Y Community Member

                                Do you have the option checked "export cache to folders"?  If so the only way to purge this cache is in Tools as shown below.

                                 

                                First check function of video card.  Go to edit/preferences/advanced  and check "use software rendering".  Purge cache for problem folder with Tools/cache/purge cache for xxx folder. 

                                 

                                If this makes a difference it is likely video card and or driver.

                                • 13. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                  infos@guewen.net Community Member

                                  thanks guys

                                   

                                  I have urgents things to do, so I will try this later and give you my report when i have try your advice.

                                  • 14. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                    infos@guewen.net Community Member

                                    Omke Oudeman wrote:

                                     

                                    exact bridge cs6 version : 5.0.0.399 x64 (...) about latest drivers for your graphic card.

                                     

                                    Bridge Update is ok and last driver for graphic card ok

                                     

                                    It might be you have performance problems due to the fact you use 3 disks (at least, that is what I understand from your details). If the Bridge Cache file is stored on one disk, the application on another and the files on a third (external?) disk the data has to travel over several connections.

                                     

                                    All of my disk are inside the tower, no external disk. SSD disk is used  to have fast access at  memory cache.

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    Also still not sure if your normal HQ preview is problematic or the 100 % view. If it is about 100 % it seems like a delay in performance, normal files need a short moment (sometimes a few seconds) to build the 100 % preview.

                                    no problem with 100% view, i have a problem with the HQ preview. 

                                    • 15. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                      infos@guewen.net Community Member

                                      Curt Y wrote:

                                       

                                      Do you have the option checked "export cache to folders"?  If so the only way to purge this cache is in Tools as shown below.

                                       

                                      First check function of video card.  Go to edit/preferences/advanced  and check "use software rendering".  Purge cache for problem folder with Tools/cache/purge cache for xxx folder. 

                                       

                                      If this makes a difference it is likely video card and or driver.

                                      I try this but... no difference

                                      • 16. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                        infos@guewen.net Community Member

                                        Hello again,

                                         

                                        I have the same problem with another computer from a friend in bridge cs5 and i had it with another computer whith bridge cs4 in the past. I try to change settings but nothing better.

                                         

                                        I would have to know if mac user meet the same mater.

                                         

                                        I can't understand why bridge have a less quality with the hq preview and display fuzzy pictures... it is not the setting, not the cache i have rebuild many time after i've changed setting. It's not the graphic card or the driver version, my bridge is updated to the last version... so why ? It's realy more than annoying.

                                         

                                        I am realy surprised, adobe photoshop and bridge are realy good software for photographe worker, but it is realy inconceivable to allways obtain fuzzy picture in HQ preview.

                                        • 17. Re: affichage flou des images raw avec bridge
                                          infos@guewen.net Community Member

                                          It is eventualy the same problem and if i understand, there is no soluce :

                                           

                                            http://forums.adobe.com/thread/1056763?start=40&tstart=0

                                           

                                          but it is just too bad... is photoshop and bridge not software design for photographer, i can't believe that !!