14 Replies Latest reply on Jan 11, 2013 9:07 AM by ECBowen

    Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)

    yash-lucid Level 1

      I use Premiere Pro CS6 with DSLR (h.264) and FS700 (AVCHD) footage and it's begginning to lag on my machine as my projects get more complex. I also use Adobe After Effects CS6 for motion graphics and occassionally some vfx.

       

      I need to know what experts' opinions are on choosing the Quadro 5000 or the GTX 690?

        • 1. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
          Harm Millaard Level 7

          The 690 is only used for 50%, since it is a dual GPU architecture and only ONE GPU can be used by PR.

           

          Your best option is the GTX 670/680 unless you really want to spend a lot of money for inferior performance but NEED 10 bit output to very expensive monitors in which case you opt for the K5000 or K6000. They do not perform as well as the 670/680 but have the 10 bit output. Your choice.

           

          Beginning to lag with increasing project size is more indicative of lagging disk setup than graphics card problems. What are your hardware specs?

          • 2. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
            yash-lucid Level 1

            Thanks Harm. Your posts are very helpful.

             

            Currently running a Gtx 570 on an i7 930 @ 2.8 which definitely needs an upgrade. My hard drive setup...is not really even a setup.

             

            What would you do with

            1x 1Tb 5400rpm (main win7 drive, footage is edited on this and programs are stored)

            2x 2Tb 7200rpm (1 contains archived projects and the other is a backup of it)

            2x 3Tb 7200rpm (fresh, not used yet)

            and a 500gb 7200rpm (random files)

             

            I don't need the 10bit output as I only have 8bit footage anyway. Thanks again in  advance.

            • 3. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
              yash-lucid Level 1

              Forgot to add, 20GB of 1333mhz ram

              • 4. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                RjL190365 Level 4

                yash-lucid wrote:

                 

                What would you do with

                1x 1Tb 5400rpm (main win7 drive, footage is edited on this and programs are stored)

                2x 2Tb 7200rpm (1 contains archived projects and the other is a backup of it)

                2x 3Tb 7200rpm (fresh, not used yet)

                and a 500gb 7200rpm (random files)

                The fact that you're editing footage on the same drive as the OS is the problem: The SATA interface cannot handle simultaneous reads and writes because it is only a half-duplex interface. That is, a block of transfers in one direction must be completed before any transfers begin in the opposite direction. So, despite the fact that you have multiple hard drives installed, your editing configuration effective renders your system to have only a single work disk for absolutely everything, which severely slows down editing performance. Worse, that single 5400rpm work disk is slower than any of the other disks in your system (both sequential speed wise and random access speed wise), which means that your system is effectively slower than systems that are one to two CPU generations older than yours. (In the case of your i7-930, it can be slower than a Core 2 Quad or even a Core 2 Duo or Pentium D with correctly configured disk setups.)

                 

                Thus, I would use the 500GB 7200rpm drive for just the Win7 OS, Windows pagefile and programs, one of your unused 3TB 7200rpm disks for your media and project files, the other 3TB drive for an archive of your media and project files, both of your 2TB disks in RAID 0 for media cache and exports, and the 1TB 5400rpm drive for backups of your already transcoded files.

                • 5. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                  yash-lucid Level 1

                  Thanks, will consider!

                  • 6. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                    yash-lucid Level 1

                    Harm what do you think about the suggestion by RjL190365?

                    • 7. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                      Harm Millaard Level 7

                      I fully agree with Randall.

                      • 8. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                        yash-lucid Level 1

                        Doing this tomorrow. Thanks!

                        • 9. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                          yash-lucid Level 1

                          What about this setup?

                           

                          Editing PC:

                          C = 500GB 7200rpm [Windows, Programs, Page file]

                          D = 2TB 7200rpm [Project files for current edit]

                          E = 2TB 7200rpm [Renders, Premiere Cache/Scratch, Stock Clips/Vfx/Vectors/etc]
                          F = 1TB 5400rpm [Personal files]

                          Server:
                          C = 250GB [Windows]
                          D = 3TB 7200rpm [Project archive]
                          E = 3TB 7200rpm [Backup of project archive]

                          • 10. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                            yash-lucid Level 1

                            What about this setup?

                             

                            Editing PC:

                            C = 500GB 7200rpm [Windows, Programs, Page file]

                            D = 2TB 7200rpm [Project files for current edit]

                            E = 2TB 7200rpm [Renders, Premiere Cache/Scratch, Stock Clips/Vfx/Vectors/etc]
                            F = 1TB 5400rpm [Personal files]

                            Server:
                            C = 250GB [Windows]
                            D = 3TB 7200rpm [Project archive]
                            E = 3TB 7200rpm [Backup of project archive]

                            • 11. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                              Harm Millaard Level 7

                              Looks good, because there is minimal wasted space on C: and the slowest disk F: is used for the least critical files. On the server you have plenty of space.

                              • 12. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                                Greg_Estes

                                After Effects is actually multi-GPU capable and scales well on a GTX 690. It's not quite twice as fast as a GTX 680 on AE (will complete an AE render in, say 56-59% of the time rather than 50%) but being a single card many users find it preferable to 2 x GTX 680's.

                                 

                                The Quadro K5000 has twice the graphics memory of the GTX 690, which is useful when processing deep layers of high resolution material but is more important for Maya or other 3D applications than CS6. Quadro is 10-bit as Harm mentions and supports true full cinema 4K (4096 rather than 3840), stereo editing modes not found on GeForce, and low latency SDI I/O through third party cards that support GPUDirect for Video (Blackmagic, Matrox, DVS, Bluefish 444 and AJA). It's clocked lower than the gamer cards for long, stable life and tuned for workstations, which does translate to less benchmark performance so if those features don't matter to you and it's raw price-perf then a GTX 680 will be the best perf on a PC for Premiere Pro and GTX 690 will be the fastest single card for multi-GPU applications such as After Effects.

                                • 14. Re: Quadro 5000 ($1,749.00) or GTX 690 ($1,270.99)
                                  ECBowen Most Valuable Participant

                                  The Geforce cards support Full 4K out the HDMI 1.4 if you have a display that can handle that. Those are finally starting to hit the consumer market though at a very high cost. SDI and HDMi have the same Latency capability. One standard is not superior to the other. However the Displays themselves limit the latency response time depending on the firmware and the Panels. Also they make 4GB 670GTX and 680GTX cards. You dont have to have a Quadro for that Frame Buffer size.


                                  Eric

                                  ADK