8 Replies Latest reply: Jan 18, 2013 7:17 AM by JJMack RSS

    PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits

    Ola_1974. Community Member

      Hi,

       

      I am working with PS CS6 and smartobjects. I do a lot of advanced batch editing.

       

      I have an issue I have failed to find an answer to.

       

      When working with a smartobject-image in PS, and going back again into ACR to to some adjustments on RAW file, and then back into PS, the updated adjustments I did on the RAW file shows in PS, but is NOT saved in ACR.

       

      This is an issue for me, since I need to copy RAW settings and apply to many other RAW images. The way I work I may need to go back many times into ACR from PS to adjust the RAW file, I can not know the final edit the first time when opening the RAW file from ACR.

       

      As it is now, the only time ACR remembers the edits I do on the RAW file is the inital first time edit which is applied before the file is opened as a smartobject into PS.

       

      How can I get ACR to remember the edits I do when re-opening the RAW file from a smartobject in PS??

       

      Ole

        • 1. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
          c.pfaffenbichler Community Member

          As it is now, the only time ACR remembers the edits I do on the RAW file is the inital first time edit which is applied before the file is opened as a smartobject into PS.

          I’m not sure I understand – are you complaining that editing one Raw Smart Object will not change other Smart Objects?

          • 2. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
            Ola_1974. Community Member

            Thanks for your reply.

             

            No, I am complaining that, when I go from a smartobject within Photoshop, back into Adobe Camera RAW, to do further edits on the RAW file, the edits I then do is visible only when I go back into photoshop yes, but the changes are NOT applied to the RAW file and hence are NOT visible from Adobe Camera RAW. It may seem like the additional changes I do to the RAW file is actually only stored in the smartobject, and not in the RAW file (XMP) itself. This means that the last edits I did to the RAW file can not be distributed (copied) to other RAW files.

             

            Really annoying.

             

            Ole

            • 3. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
              Ronald Keller Community Member

              Ole,

               

              You can work around this by saving your edits in ACR as a preset and load that preset in your other files.

               

              Ronald

              • 4. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
                JJMack Community Member

                Smart object layers that have embedded RAW  file object  are independent from the original RAW file.  The smart object contains a Copy of the original RAW file and ACR Settings. You can create multiple RAW conversions within a single document by targeting the Smart object layer then use menu Layer>Smart Objects>New Smart Object via Copy to create independent Smart Object Layers.  Each can be be open in ACR  by double clicking on a layers smart object icin in the layers palette the original ACR conversions setting can be changed by the user. When they click OK in ACR the Smart object layers pixels will be updated to reflect the changes and the ACR settings will be updated in the embedded object. This is the way it designed to work. 

                 

                To work the way you want if one update a ACR conversion in any document that had been created using a particular RAW file ever document with this RAW file would need be linked to gather some way along with all the others documents with this RAW file embedded so all embedded RAW smart Object layer as well as the original RAW file metadata or side car file updated.  Sort of making Digital back to film where you could only develop your exposed file once eliminates versions.  Not very desirable for Photo work.  If your publishing printed material you may be better off looking a Indesign

                • 5. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
                  Ola_1974. Community Member

                  Hmm Ronald, thanks for the try, I was hoping this could save me.

                   

                  But unfortunately, for some strange reason, not all details are saved when using ths approach, such as crop and gradient filters etc...

                  • 6. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
                    Ronald Keller Community Member

                    Bummer. You are right. Gradient filters etc are not remembered.  Pity...

                    • 7. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
                      Ola_1974. Community Member

                      JJMack, thanks for your input. We all have different goals with our work. I use photoshop not only for stills, but also for timelapse-photography/video, and this means a lot of batch editing. And sometimes I can not not what will be the needef final edits on the raw file until I have done further edits inside Photoshop. And when I have done several edits on the RAW file, from SO with PS, then it is a pain in the **** to apply these same RAW file settings to a batch of others. The way it is today I actually have to do it manually, and this can be a real challenge if some cloning has been applied in the RAW file

                      • 8. Re: PS CS6 Smartobject - ACR not updating RAW edits
                        JJMack Community Member

                        Ola If you use smart objects and don't crop your RAW conversion to some other aspect ratio perhaps you can just use the menu Layer>Smart Objects>Replace contents to replace the embedded RAW file smart object.  The replacement smart object needs to be the same size as the original.  So as long you keep the same Aspect ratio you can save the replacement file the same size as the original RAW file. All you need do is keep a list of document you have use the RAW file as an embedded object in a smart object layer.  Later on when you work on the original RAW file you can make the edits you want and as long as you maintain the documents aspect ratio you can save a file the size of the RAW file was that you can use as a replacement  object that you can use in the other documents you have that have the original raw file in as an embedded object