13 Replies Latest reply: Jan 21, 2013 7:38 AM by Banghans RSS

    Why do I get black bars around my video?

    Banghans

      Why do I get bars on all sides around my video? This is captured on a 4:3 DV-camera (Panasonic) - but the camera has put black bars over and under the video to make it 16:9. I have tried all combinations of standard and widescreen in and out - but I always end up with black bars on all four sides of the video My television does not have a zoom option to make this fill the screen, although the aspect ratio is perfect.

        • 1. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          Welcome to the forum.

           

          What is the make/model of your camera?

           

          Some do not really shoot Widescreen 16:9, but only shoot a cropped Standard 4:3, and that cropping just adds black bars to simulate Widescreen 16:9.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
            Banghans Community Member

            The camera is 4:3 - I just chose the option to insert bars over and under

            to make it fit our tv. Our old tv zoomed it fine. Our new tv (Panasonic

            V10) is unable to blow up the image to full screen.

             

            Basically I have footage in 4:3 with inserted bars over and under (pseudo

            16:9 if you like) - and I need to crop away the bars. At the moment the

            finished movie is a small box in the middle of the tv surrounded by bars on

            all sides. I am exporting to mpeg - and have tried various combinations of

            settings (wide vs standard) in both input and output but it doesnt seem to

            make any difference.

             

            torsdag den 17. januar 2013 skrev Bill Hunt :

             

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            • 3. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
              the_wine_snob Community Member

              With SD Video, the difference between Standard 4:3 and Widescreen 16:9 is the PAR (Pixel Aspect Ratio). The pixel x pixel size is the same, but for Standard 4:3, the pixels, themselves, are narrow (0.9 for NTSC), and for Widescreen 16:9, they are wider (1.2 for NTSC).

               

              If one has shot with a pseudo-Widescreen, they still have Standard 4:3, PAR=0.9 (for NTSC) material, that has been effectively cropped to "look" like Widescreen.

               

              If one has a Standard 4:3 Project, but wish to have the pseudo material fill the screen, then they would need to use the Fixed Effect>Motion>Scale, to enlarge that Clip to fill the top & bottom of the Frame, with an effective cropping of the left & right (or perhaps only one side, if the Fixed Effect>Motion>Position is used), of that Clip's image.

               

              When it comes to how material is displayed on an HD TV, one has several possible options. If the material is coming from a DVD-Video, then the player may have options for how the footage is handled. Also, many newer TV's have settings for how Standard 4:3 is displayed on them, regardless of the signal. It differs by the exact equipment.

               

              Hunt

              • 4. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                Banghans Community Member

                Thank you. What is the easiest Way to apply this cropping to the entire

                project? And is it going to reduce the quality?

                 

                What I dont get is why the footage on tv has bars on all 4 sides while

                the cam shows only above and below. If I could get the same on the edited

                footage (just bars above and below, not on the sides) then the tv zoom

                could do the rest - and quality would be unaltered if I choose not to

                activate the tv-zoom..

                 

                torsdag den 17. januar 2013 skrev Bill Hunt :

                 

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                • 5. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                  If one were to apply the adjustments to "fill the Frame" to the first Clip, then it's easy to apply that to all other, similar Clips, in the Project. Just make the adjustments (Fixed Effect>Motion>Scale) to the first, then Rt-click on that, choosing Copy. Next, Select all other similar Clips, Rt-click on them, and choose Paste Attributes. Done.

                   

                  When Scaling, some image degradation WILL occur. That is unavoidable.

                   

                  Personally, I would not use a pseudo-Widescreen Mode, but that is just me.

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                    Banghans Community Member

                    Exactly where do I find the "Fixed effect" - "Motion" - "Scale" tool? I am using the latest version 11 of Premiere Elements for Windows.

                    • 7. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                      the_wine_snob Community Member

                      In the Effects Tab, there is a button, Edit Effects. If one presses that, then the Effects Control Panel is displayed for the Selected Clip/Still/Title. PrE automatically adds the Fixed Effects, Motion, Opacity, Volume (if there is Audio), etc.. Besides Motion is a "reveal triangle." If one clicks on that, then Position, Scale and Rotation will be revealed. One can adjust those, as required.

                       

                      Note: when on does a Copy/Paste Attributes, ALL Effects that have been added will also be Copied and Pasted. The Fixed Effects ONLY transfer their settings. If one has added, say Highlight & Shadow to all Clips, and then does a Copy/Paste Attributes, then Highlight & Shadow will be Copied again. Just keep that in the back of your mind, and do the Copy & Paste Attributes, with ONLY the Fixed Effects, unless you do wish to Copy the added Effects too.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                        Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

                        Bill, you're describing earlier versions of Premiere Elements.

                         

                        In version 11, you edit effects by selecting the clip on the timeline and clicking the Applied Effects button on the right side of the interface.

                        • 9. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                          the_wine_snob Community Member

                          Steve,

                           

                          You are correct. Thank you for pointing that change out.

                           

                          Appreciated,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                            Banghans Community Member

                            Okay, I found the scale tool, thanks a lot. Trouble is, on my monitor the video already looks just how I want it: The preview window and timeline shows black bars over and under - but not on the sides (rememer: this DV-footage was shot in 4:3 but using the cameras "pseudo wide" function inserting bars above and below. My tv should  know how to blow this up to full screen.

                             

                            However, the finished movie has bars on all four sides of the picture and so far I have not found any settings to change this.

                             

                            I have a feeling that this should be an easy fix: My aim is to crop away the bars on the sides - which is how the video was shot in the first place, so no degradation should be necessary?

                             

                            I do have access to Premiere Pro CS6, but it seems rather daunting. However if there is an easy fix in that application, I am all ears. Another option is iMovie on the Mac - but for this I would need to buy a new firewire-cable or adapter.

                             

                            Regards,

                            Søren

                            • 11. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                              However, the finished movie has bars on all four sides of the picture and so far I have not found any settings to change this.

                              What Share/Publish settings are you using?

                               

                              Good luck,

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                                Banghans Community Member

                                For publish/share I use "computer - MPEG - PAL" (since I am in Denmark) - and I have tried both "DVD standard" and "DVD widescreen". Also in project settings I have been experimenting with both "wide" and "4:3" settings. I believe I have tried all combinations of these - nothing seems to make any difference.

                                 

                                Tape footage is from an old Panasonic NV-GS120 DV-camcorder.

                                 

                                My plan is to store the video on our network drive - and play it with either PS3 or WDTV Live hub media player. I have tried both these players, both with the NAS as a media server and via direct file access (wdtv), but  none of this makes any difference either. My tv has no way of zooming the image correctly when there are bars on all four sides.

                                • 13. Re: Why do I get black bars around my video?
                                  Banghans Community Member

                                  Okay - I found a way, but is wondering if there is a better one:

                                   

                                  I am not using any tools from any menu - I simply click in the preview window and drag the corners until the image fills up the frame (16:9). I then paste this adjustment into the entire timeline.

                                   

                                  This is a started as a 16:9 project - and exported as such (MPEG2). Is there a better export option? Like stated earlier, this is for viewing on a HD-tv through a mediaplayer (WDTV Live hub streamed from network drive).

                                   

                                  Regards

                                  Søren