Settings: Here ya go
and they need a 1080i 29.97 ProRes 422 file
Easy if you are on a Mac ..because Prores is native.
More difficult if you are on a Windows PC which is unable to export Prores
thank you for your reply. i am new to RED 4k footage and Premiere. i made the jump from FCP after 10 years using it...so still learning things.
yes, i am on a MacPro. running Premiere Pro CS6. my sequence is 3840x2160 square (1.0) at 24fps...previewing in 1920x1080.
can i just export directly from Premiere using ProRes 422 1920x1080 29.97 square (1.0)? i see a codec settings button under Video Codec. it gives option of interlace. would that be correct?? i can't find hardly any info on this specifically, and i only have one shot to deliver it tomorrow to the venue.
any help is greatly appreciated!!!
I am assuming you are Exporting from Adobe Media Encoder?
Find and use a Prores 1080i Preset
"i" = interlace. "p" = progressive.
Some one else will advise you about the 29.97 stuff you NTSC guys have to deal with ...but assume that you need to set that as well. (Unless advised by some NTSC guy)
that brings up the export window to directly export out of premiere. it uses AME just doesn't have the presets, i think. in fact, AME doesn't have presets for ProRes 422, only H.264.
i was just going to customize my settings inside premiere export to match the 29.97 1080i sequence. just didn't know if that would do it?
You will find ProRes in the Quicktime Presets.
I have not got a Mac so cant tell you that for sure.
The problem here will be going from 24 to 29.97. You may want to run some short tests on this. With DVD it'd be easy. PP would insert the pulldown flag into the MPEG stream and the DVD player itself would add the pulldown.
Now sure how you get the necessary pulldown in this case.
does selecting "top field first" under the codec settings solve the pulldown issue?
Nope. Two different things.
i'm really stuck jim. stressed out about this.
i have to deliver a 1080i 29.97 from my 1080p 24p sequence tomorrow afternoon and i don't know how to do it in premiere. i have run several tests with no luck.
i have been reviewing pull down removal but still i'm still a little in the gray on it.
can you tell me how to get out of my 24p sequence to a 29.97i file?
any help is so appreicated!!
Do you have After Effects? It's really easy in AE:
- Import the footage and make sure it's interpreted correctly as 24p
- Add your footage to 1920x1080 24p composition. Scale as necessary.
- Add the comp to the render queue.
- In the Render Settings dialog, choose Field Render and select either Upper or Lower First (as required by the venue)
- In the 3:2 Pulldown control, pick any cadence you want (unless the venue has a preference, then use that)
- Configure the Output Module for a ProRes 4:2:2 MOV file.
- Choose a file name/location in the Output To control and render.
Same technique, more in-depth discussion here:
I can think of no reason they would want this in 29.97 or why that would make a difference to them. ProRes is more suited to editing than being a delivery format. I deliver great looking 1080p files in h.264 from our RED all the time.
thanks so much for your detailed info. i found one possible solution with Premiere and wanted to see if you knew about it. if i drop the 24p file into a 29.97i Premiere sequence it asks if i should "keep sequence settings" this i've found on adobe converts the file so it will output at the correct frame rate. do you know if Premiere is doing the 3:2 pulldown this way?
i do have AE and can def go that direction. in your post you said "add your footage to a 29.97i comp". is that correct? or should i start with a 24p comp?
honestly i don't want to do it, but the live venue that is hosting the event showing the film requires a 1080i 29.97. it's the only format that is native to some software they have called Clipworks. not sure why.
have you ever done the 3:2 pulldown before?
in your post you said "add your footage to a 29.97i comp". is that correct? or should i start with a 24p comp?
My bad. Thanks for catching that. You are correct -- put it in a 24p comp.
do you know if Premiere is doing the 3:2 pulldown this way?
I don't think so, but I can't say for sure. Run a short clip through AE and then the same clip through Pr and compare the results.
i'll probably just use AE to be safe. thanks for clarifying the 24p comp. hopefully this thing will export fast!
last question. to do the 3:2 pulldown in AE, do i have to have the frame rate of my source at 24p or does it have to be at 23.976 to get to 29.97i?
I'd say use the frame rate the media is actually at. If that doesn't work (test a short segment), report back.
you mentioned earlier about DVD, and i know that most DVD players do pulldown on the fly. i'm also taking this 1080 24p file to DVD...does that mean i can just export a 720x480 24p widescreen for the DVD? i've also seen 720x405 24p, wondering why that size?
Yes, use an MPEG2-DVD preset and you'll get the correct size and frame rate. The player will add pulldown if necessary (and it isn't always necessary, as some TVs can handle the 24p directly).
Ah, I see. If you came from Final Cut is it possible you have Cinema Tools?
i do have cinema tools. would that be better than AE?
i've also seen 720x405 24p, wondering why that size?
just has to do with aspect ratio and going to youtube, your website, or something, square pixels...keeps the par sorta
I do not know which is better/ faster. Seems like I've done that before though.
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This is way after the fact, but I've had this problem many times with CC. You can do it with AME CS6. In CS6, if you click that button Codec Settings under Video Codec, choose interlaced, top first, it will add the correct 3:2 pulldown. However, the Codec Settings button in CC and CC 2014 is greyed out and not accessible. So if you do a conversion with CC/CC 2014, you get field tearing and blurry frame blending, which is not correct and would fail broadcast QC. This is very annoying, for such a strong NLE, it's still missing some very basic, broadcast standard, functionality (this is just one, I could list several more). That you have to go into AE or do some other workaround, such as install AME CS6, is really backwards.
never seen that with Cc unless you match sequence settings, if you don't you get access to codec settings. I would try doing this conversion by exporting the 24p 1920x1080 sequence reimport , interpret as 23.976 and place in a 29.97 sequence to do the pull down. then export 29.97i (59.94). Check on a broadcast monitor.
Sorry, for my particular problem, it's slightly different from OP. But this is one of the few threads addressing this issue. Noone's responded to my thread that I posted.
I've tried all sorts of workflow tests, and they all ended up not right (blurred fields, field tearing, etc. basically not correct pulldown). My sequence is 23.976 progressive editing with 23.976 progressive footage. Copying into a 29.97i sequence DF doesn't work unfortunately, both in CS6 or the CC's. PPro won't add the pulldown correctly. I should be clearer: the sequence, as you step through frame by frame and playback, displays it with the correct pulldown, but when you export for 29.97i it doesn't do it.
My workaround has been to export 24p ProRes HQ (CC 2014), then bring it into AME CS6, where there I have access to the Codec Settings. CC 2014, either stand alone, or through PPro, will not give me access to the Codec Settings, regardless of sequence settings, source framerate, interpret footage, etc. I've tried them all, and none give me access to the Codec Settings. Maybe I'm missing something?
I'm sure the AE trip works just fine too, but it would just be eaiser and faster with AME.
Maybe this requires a new thread, but I think what I'm looking for is the correct workflow for PPro particularly. If the camera crew shot 23.976 progressive, and you have to deliver 29.97i, what the steps are front to end. In the beginning we decided it was better to cut in native framerate, and then convert final output to 29.97i, then convert to Mpeg2 spec. It would be nice to do the whole shebang from the PPro sequence itself, resulting in 1 transcode step.
Thanks for replying.