27 Replies Latest reply: Feb 14, 2013 5:55 AM by Stan Jones RSS

    Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering

    DMEDIUS Community Member

      Hi guys

       

      Im Having problem when exporting on CS5.1 some places in the movie specially PAN & TILT shots are Jittering not clear

       

      Im working on Final Cut Pro on Full HD movie im exporting the movie from Final cut as it is  and transcoding with Encore. Im exporting Blu-ray

      I know that any file i import to Encore it will render again. so im doing that but when i watch the Blu-ray im not liking the quality

       

      anyone can help me please ??

       

      Thank you in Advance

        • 1. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
          DMEDIUS Community Member

          Looks like it will be harder than i thought.

           

          ok guys can anyone tell me how i make bluray when i finalize my movie with Final Cut Pro ??

          • 2. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
            Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

            We need some more info.

             

            Is your MOV file from FinalCut a progressive segmented file?  If it is, then Encore may be interpreting it incorrectly.

             

            Try this.  Export a short bit (that contains motion/panning/tilting) from FinalCut using the same settings you have been.  Open the Adobe Media Encoder and add the short file to the queue twice.  For the first instance, transcode it to H.264 or MPEG2 Blu-ray, making sure that the AME interprets it as progressive.  For the second instance, transcode it to the same format as the first one, but this time set the AME to interpret it as interlaced.

             

            Import both transcoded clips into a new En project, add them to timelines, and burn a test disc.  Use a BD-RE so you don't make a coaster.  Play the disc back in a hardware Blu-ray player hooked up to a TV.  Is there any difference in the clips?  Do either of them jitter?

             

            Jeff

            • 3. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
              DMEDIUS Community Member

              Thank you Jeff for you answer

               

              Movie is Filmed 1920x1080i and im exporting Apple Losseless 422

              I Heard about this Adobe Media Encoder ... they told me that it takes too much time, well my movie is about 4 Hours do you still recomand AME, and after AME Encore wont transcode them again ?

               

              by the way i made 5 minutes test from my movie by importing the file to After Effects and export it from the with the same settings as original and the problem is fixed maybe not 100% but 95% for sure

               

              what do you think about that ?

               

              1 more question this AME i have to download it from somehere or it comes with Adobe Package ?

               

              Thank you Jeff one more time

              • 4. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                Did you do any of things I suggested?

                 

                The AME is part of the Adobe package.

                 

                Please read the article at the link below and let us know if your source footage is possibly PsF (progressive segmented):

                 

                Things You Must Know About PsF (Progressive Segmented Frame) Recording. Bening PsF vs Malignant PsF | Pro Digital Group -- Professional Video Production Services

                 

                Jeff

                • 5. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                  Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                  Hi,

                   

                  I have some similarities with the problem of DMEDIUS. I make a DVD once a year for the graduates of my school. I never had a problem. But this year the video are jittering when put on DVDs. If il look at them on my PC they are fine. I even put one on youtube as a test and it's fine. But when the movies are in Encore, they are jittering. Not all, but most of them.

                   

                  I looked in forums and some people talked about Adobe media encoder, so i put them all in it "normalized" their format but with the same result.

                   

                  The common point of the movies that are jittering is that they are powerpoints transformed to movies with Moyea PPT to video software. I used it for years with no problem. As previously stated they are fine when i look at them using Media player for example. But in Encore they always jitter even when i use the command to previsualize the movie (dunno the good word my software is in french.) as well when put on DVD.

                   

                  Help would be greatly appreciated.

                  Thank you

                  • 6. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                    DMEDIUS Community Member

                    Jeff

                     

                    As i said my Footage is not Progressive and still didnt try with AME i will let u know what happenes with me

                     

                    thank you

                    • 7. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                      Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                      As i said my Footage is not Progressive

                      I want to make sure it didn't get altered during the export from Final Cut.  Please download MediaInfo and load your movie into it.  Post a screen shot of the video information using the tree view of MediaInfo.

                       

                      Here's a link:

                      MediaInfo

                       

                      Jeff

                      • 8. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                        Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                        The common point of the movies that are jittering is that they are powerpoints transformed to movies with Moyea PPT to video software.

                        Are you transforming them as interlaced or progressive?  Does Moyea treat the PPT files as progressive on import?

                         

                        Jeff

                        • 9. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                          Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                          I don't know about the type of information your asking me. As previously stated i use Encore once a year only. Do you have a link or a reference that i could use to identify the type of movie i have? BTW i changed them in Adobe media encoder. I thought that it would correct the problem but it did not.

                          Thank you for your answer!

                          • 10. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                            Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                            Do you have a link or a reference that i could use to identify the type of movie i have?

                            Check all of your preferences and export settings in the Moyea software.  You should also download MediaInfo (link in post #7 above) and check the files from Moyea using that.

                             

                            I suspect that you have an issue with field order.

                             

                            Reference:

                            Interlaced video - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

                             

                            Jeff

                            • 11. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                              Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                              OK, here is the setting from moyea

                              MP4 file

                               

                              VIDEO SETTINGS:

                              XVID

                              1280X720

                              16:9

                              Quality: medium

                               

                              SOUND SETTINGS:

                              AAC

                              quality: medium

                              débit bianire (Dunno the word in english): 12800

                              taux d'échantillonage: 44100

                              stereo

                               

                              When i change them with adobe media encoder, mediainfo tells me this:

                              All the film are:

                              F4V file

                              format: MPEG-4

                              Video codecs: AVC

                              Audio codec: AAC LC

                               

                              Does this information help you in finding the probable cause?

                              • 12. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                Changing them with Adobe Media Encoder using those settings is causing more problems and is confusing the issue.  Don't do that.

                                 

                                Part of the problem is that Moyea is outputting HD (High Definition) files, and DVD requires SD (Standard Definition) files.  So Encore has to scale down the video, which can cause problems if it's not done carefully.  Better to export out of Moyea at DVD frame size: 720x576 for PAL.  Try exporting a very short clip from Moyea as a test, and add that to an Encore timeline.  Burn the Encore project to rewritable disc so you don't waste any blank media.

                                 

                                Jeff

                                • 13. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                  Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                  Hi Jeff,

                                   

                                  Sorry for the delay,

                                  I did as you asked, made a test with 720X576. Full of hope, i looked at it and it was all fine but when i put it in encore... still jittering.  So the format is OK (720X576) but still it's causing me trouble.

                                   

                                  About the PAL, i looked in the Moyea software and in the help files but i did not see anything about PAL or NTSC. Here in canada, we use NTSC. maybe the answer is here? have another idea?

                                   

                                  nice day

                                  • 14. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                    Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                    Sorry.  I didn't know you were in Canada.  I figured you were in France.

                                     

                                    For NTSC try 720x480, just to be sure.  But based on your 720x576 results, I don't think it will change anything.  However, there is one possible issue that it might fix so it may be worth your time to do a short test.

                                     

                                    I think this may be an issue with interlacing -- wrong field order or interlaced when it should be progressive (or vice-versa).  Do you use Premiere Pro to edit the video?  You may needhttp://www.videolan.org/index.html to sort out the interlacing there if it really is the issue.

                                     

                                    Jeff

                                    • 15. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                      DMEDIUS Community Member

                                      Hi Jeff

                                      sorry for the late answer.

                                       

                                      This is Media Info Results

                                       

                                      General

                                      Complete name : /Volumes/VIDEO/Lynn Decor.mov

                                      Format : MPEG-4

                                      Format profile : QuickTime

                                      Codec ID : qt

                                      File size : 2.00 GiB

                                      Duration : 2mn 21s

                                      Overall bit rate mode : Variable

                                      Overall bit rate : 122 Mbps

                                      Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:18:23

                                      Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:22:03

                                      Writing library : Apple QuickTime

                                      ©TSC : 25

                                      ©TSZ : 1

                                       

                                       

                                      Video

                                      ID : 1

                                      Format : ProRes

                                      Format version : Version 0

                                      Codec ID : apcn

                                      Duration : 2mn 21s

                                      Bit rate mode : Variable

                                      Bit rate : 120 Mbps

                                      Width : 1 888 pixels

                                      Original width : 1 920 pixels

                                      Height : 1 062 pixels

                                      Original height : 1 080 pixels

                                      Display aspect ratio : 16:9

                                      Frame rate mode : Constant

                                      Frame rate : 25.000 fps

                                      Color space : YUV

                                      Chroma subsampling : 4:2:2

                                      Scan type : Interlaced

                                      Scan order : Top Field First

                                      Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 2.401

                                      Stream size : 1.98 GiB (99%)

                                      Writing library : Apple

                                      Language : English

                                      Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:18:23

                                      Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:20:29

                                      Color primaries : BT.709

                                      Transfer characteristics : BT.709

                                      Matrix coefficients : BT.709

                                       

                                       

                                      Audio

                                      ID : 2

                                      Format : PCM

                                      Format settings, Endianness : Little

                                      Format settings, Sign : Signed

                                      Codec ID : sowt

                                      Duration : 2mn 21s

                                      Bit rate mode : Constant

                                      Bit rate : 1 536 Kbps

                                      Channel(s) : 2 channels

                                      Channel positions : Front: L R

                                      Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

                                      Bit depth : 16 bits

                                      Stream size : 25.9 MiB (1%)

                                      Language : English

                                      Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:18:23

                                      Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:20:29

                                       

                                       

                                      Menu

                                      ID : 3

                                      Duration : 2mn 21s

                                      Language : English

                                      Encoded date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:20:29

                                      Tagged date : UTC 2013-01-31 14:20:29

                                      • 16. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                        Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                        Two things caught my eye.

                                        1. The video is interlaced, upper field first.  Verify that En is using upper field first when it encodes the video.  If it's not, then you need to create a transcoding preset that uses upper field first and use that to encode the MOV file. 
                                        2. The Frame Size parameters versus the Original Frame Size parameters seems odd.  But I don't work with ProRes or FCP so maybe this is to be expected?  Anyway, if there really is some scaling going on when you transcode with En (or the AME, or Pr), then you will need to have Maximum Render Quality checked in the preset or export settings in order to avoid softening of the image.  This is especially true for interlaced footage.

                                        Jeff

                                        • 17. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                          Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                          Hi Jeff,

                                           

                                          You are right, even with 720X480 i have the same results. The software does not give me any settings regarding using NTFS or PAL tough. I looked everywhere i did not found it. I contacted the company but they are in vacation till february 16 .

                                           

                                          I will check about the interlacing. I'm learning pretty much about videos with this problem. Cool!

                                          • 18. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                            Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                            BTW i use Premiere por CS5. Can i use it to help me about the interlacing issue?

                                            • 19. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                              Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                              You should download MediaInfo as well.  Use it to examine the 720x480 file from Moyea and post a screenshot of the results (be sure to use the tree view of MediaInfo).

                                               

                                              If it is an interlacing issue, you can fix that in Pr by setting the timeline and the export to match the source footage.

                                               

                                              Jeff

                                              • 20. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                                Hi Jeff,

                                                 

                                                As asked from you. With this software i can see it's NTFS.

                                                 

                                                General

                                                Complete name                            : C:\Users\gigueref\Desktop\Copie de Halloween.mp4

                                                Format                                   : MPEG-4

                                                Format profile                           : Base Media

                                                Codec ID                                 : isom

                                                File size                                : 9.28 MiB

                                                Duration                                 : 1mn 23s

                                                Overall bit rate mode                    : Variable

                                                Overall bit rate                         : 927 Kbps

                                                Writing application                      : Lavf52.104.0

                                                 

                                                Video

                                                ID                                       : 1

                                                Format                                   : MPEG-4 Visual

                                                Format profile                           : Simple@L3

                                                Format settings, BVOP                    : No

                                                Format settings, QPel                    : No

                                                Format settings, GMC                     : No warppoints

                                                Format settings, Matrix                  : Default (H.263)

                                                Codec ID                                 : 20

                                                Duration                                 : 1mn 23s

                                                Bit rate                                 : 794 Kbps

                                                Width                                    : 720 pixels

                                                Height                                   : 480 pixels

                                                Display aspect ratio                     : 3:2

                                                Frame rate mode                          : Constant

                                                Frame rate                               : 25.000 fps

                                                Standard                                 : NTSC

                                                Color space                              : YUV

                                                Chroma subsampling                       : 4:2:0

                                                Bit depth                                : 8 bits

                                                Scan type                                : Progressive

                                                Compression mode                         : Lossy

                                                Bits/(Pixel*Frame)                       : 0.092

                                                Stream size                              : 7.95 MiB (86%)

                                                Writing library                          : XviD 1.2.1 (UTC 2008-12-04)

                                                 

                                                Audio

                                                ID                                       : 2

                                                Format                                   : AAC

                                                Format/Info                              : Advanced Audio Codec

                                                Format profile                           : LC

                                                Codec ID                                 : 40

                                                Duration                                 : 1mn 23s

                                                Bit rate mode                            : Variable

                                                Bit rate                                 : 128 Kbps

                                                Channel(s)                               : 2 channels

                                                Channel positions                        : Front: L R

                                                Sampling rate                            : 44.1 KHz

                                                Compression mode                         : Lossy

                                                Stream size                              : 1.28 MiB (14%)

                                                 

                                                Do you sse anythning wrong in that file?

                                                • 21. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                  Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                                  About the interlacing issue, i have problem understanding what you are saying about premiere. here what is that i understand: When i open a new project, première ask me what type of file i want. So here i choose NTFS 720X480 create the file. Pick a problematic file, put it in the timeline and export it. is this what you are asking me to do?

                                                   

                                                  Thank you again for your help!

                                                  • 22. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                    Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                                    So the footage from Moyea appears to be progressive.  It also appears to have square pixels.  NTSC DVD video has a PAR of 0.9091 in Pr's environment.

                                                     

                                                    So here are the steps you need to take:

                                                    1. Export from Moyea like you have been doing, except set the frame size to 648x480.
                                                    2. Create a custom sequence in Pr that is based on a Standard DV sequence, except change the fields to No Fields (Progressive Scan)
                                                    3. Import the Moyea file into Pr and add it to the new sequence.
                                                    4. Export as MPEG2 DVD using a Match Source Attributes preset.  If you don't have one of those, use NTSC DV High Quality.  Make sure the field order is No Fields (Progressive Scan).
                                                    5. Import the .m2v and .wav/.ac3 files into En.
                                                    6. Ensure that En sees the DVD Transcode status as Do Not Transcode.
                                                    7. Author and burn a test disc.  You should see much improved results.

                                                     

                                                    Jeff

                                                    • 23. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                      Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                                      My first test is working! Finally. I would never have found it without your help. Let's hope the rest of the project will go smoothly now. I have a few question for you:

                                                      -Why do you ask me to put it in 648X480 if the DVD is 720X480?

                                                      - Where do i set the field order to nofield? I have not found it.

                                                      - What are the .m2v and wav file? I only have the movie itself in the end.

                                                       

                                                      Thank you again

                                                      • 24. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                        Jeff Bellune CommunityMVP

                                                        Why do you ask me to put it in 648X480 if the DVD is 720X480?

                                                        Because Moyea outputs square-pixel video, and NTSC DVD uses non-square pixels.  So although the DVD frame is 720 pixels wide, each pixel is narrower than it is tall.  720 non-square pixels take up the exact same amount of space in the 4:3 video frame as 648 square pixels.

                                                        Where do i set the field order to nofield? I have not found it

                                                        FieldOrderControl.png

                                                        What are the .m2v and wav file?

                                                        You should have Multiplexing set to None for export.  Like this:

                                                        MuxingSetting.png

                                                        That will give you separate audio and video files.  The video file will have an .m2v extension, and if you chose PCM audio, the audio file will have .wav extension.  If you chose Dolby Digital, then the audio file will have an .ac3 extension.

                                                         

                                                        Jeff

                                                        • 25. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                          Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                                          Hi Jeff,

                                                           

                                                          The image is good now but i have no sound. As you stated, I figured that the video is the .m2v et the wav extension. When i import these files, Encore take them as video MPEG and audioMPEG for the audio. But when i start the movie in encore i have no sound. So i try to add the wav file but nothning happens. What do i have to do to make the sound appear?

                                                           

                                                          I never tought editing a dvd could be so complex et difficult

                                                          • 26. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                            Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                                            I never tought editing a dvd could be so complex et difficult

                                                            Yes, the devil is in the details.

                                                             

                                                            So i try to add the wav file but nothning happens. What do i have to do to make the sound appear?

                                                            In your Encore timeline, did you have any audio in the audio track before trying to add the wav?

                                                             

                                                            When you have an m2v and a wav, the easiest way to import them to Encore and to make a timeline is to use the "Import as Timeline" and select both the m2v and wav. If you make the timeline with just the m2v, you must add the wav to the timeline as you attempted to do.

                                                             

                                                            I don't understand what  you mean by "nothing happened." Did the wav file appear in the audio track of the timeline or is it still empty?

                                                            • 27. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                              Daguerre_Niepse Community Member

                                                              OK it works now. I was importing the sound and the movie as elements instead of Timeline (montage in french). It's working and the image is good. I will try to mount the final version today even if i have a good day in front of me.

                                                               

                                                              So with this i think that everything is settled now. A BIG thank you to both of you guys. It took me many hours of research to find a solution but i learned a lot in the process.

                                                               

                                                              Nice day

                                                              Fred

                                                              • 28. Re: Encore CS5.1 Motion Jitter when rendering
                                                                Stan Jones CommunityMVP

                                                                Congratulations to you and Jeff!