11 Replies Latest reply: Mar 13, 2013 6:30 AM by MarmaladePips RSS

    Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator

    MarmaladePips Community Member

      I have two PC's one runs Illustrator CS4 and the other CS5.I created some logos in CS5, I made sureI had the same fonts on both my computers. I opened the files in CS4 ( different location) and the logo has been rearranged. It doesnt look like the original AI file created on CS5. The text isnt in the centre anymore the whole thing has moved from the placings of the original AI file.

       

      I create a lot of AI files in one location on CS5, save them to my cloud and often need to work on the files in a different location, which means opening them in CS4.

      What am I doing wrong? Is there an ability to save the AI files in a way that ensures the original AI file stays the same no matter if i open it on a version that's different ( from CS5 to CS4) ?

      Am I doing anything wrong? It seems very odd that this is happening and isnt something i'd expect from Adobe software after saving in its prefered format of AI.

       

      Thank you

        • 1. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
          OldBob1957 Community Member

          No, it's not expected. But, especially if you use effects, it does happen.

           

          If you are not doing so, when saving, in the second save screen, save the file as an older version AI file (see below). This usually helps.

           

          Saving.jpg

          • 2. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
            MarmaladePips Community Member

            Thank ever so much Bob, I shall try this. Just for the record -  I wasnt using any effects just a simple image with fill and outline and a bit of text.

            • 3. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
              MarmaladePips Community Member

              I am back again with an issue which I am finding  hard to describe. I make an AI file using Illy CS5 I save it as an AI file. Sometimes I need to open that file in CS4 on another machine in another place. i.e. I dont know which files I might need to open in CS4 so it seems a little dumb of me to save everything I create in cS5 as a legacy CS4 file. Obviously I still want to work on my files created in CS5 using CS5. But maybe I should be saving both versions? But that seems a little like overkill. Anyway, back to my problem. I've created a AI file in CS5 I open it in CS4 and something strange happens. Instead of being able to select individual objects its like all the objects are grouped together. Yet a right click on the object shows me that no, its not. But the object seems to be now connected to the background. Bounding boxes seem to appear huge ones with the oject I need incorporated into those. I try and select an object to copy into another document, but it wont allow it , instead I get the majority of the other objects selecting themselves too. Although i havent selected them. Its hard to describe but it feels like when i open a file in CS4 ( which had been created in Cs5) it's like it got flattened and turned into one layer ? But even that doesnt explain the weirdness of not being able to select items on their own without the lots of other objects selecting themselves too. Its starting to really annnoy me now. Time and time again i've had to recreate my original file ( made on Cs5)  because i cannot edit it in CS4.

              • 4. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                Monika Gause CommunityMVP

                When you manage to open a CS5 file in CS4, what you are actually seeing is the PDF fork of that file. And that's just how PDF files are organized.

                 

                Your "workflow" is simply not too practical actually. But if you insist on opening newer files in CS4 then you will have to downsave them first.

                • 5. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                  MarmaladePips Community Member

                  Thank you Monica - could i save them as another file? EPS? Would that make them easier to work with?

                   

                  It seems like a 'long winded' procedure for me to save two AI files every time i produce work - one in CS5 and another in CS4. It's a shame Adobe cannot do the same as Microsoft when it comes to Office 2010 and 2007 or 2003 - MS simply released a patch to allow all versions  to work together. They understood that everyone has a different version but yet we need to work across the different versions. 

                   

                  I wonder how designers who send vector files  to places like Photobucket cope with this problem ? Their work is usually in AI format - but who's to know what version they used to produce the file?  Also would people who pay for that work , download it then realise that unless they have the exact same version of Illustrator which the AI file was created with , then they can't easily work with the file. Very odd and not very well thought out Adobe.

                  • 6. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                    Monika Gause CommunityMVP

                    Every version comes with new or revamped functionality, which not only affects your working process but also creates new types of objects the older versions simply do not know of. So you need to convert that into stuff that's usable by older versions while still keeping maximum editability (i.e. keeping objects editable that are compatible to older version).

                     

                    That's not just some text like in Word.

                     

                    So if you find yourself moving from one version to another regularly you should start thinking about your workflow.

                     

                    And no: EPS won't make it better, since the last time it's been updated was in 1999.

                    • 7. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                      MarmaladePips Community Member

                      Thanks Monica, I am not a software engineer so I cannot put forward any sound argument surrounding the difficulties or ease of creating an Illustrator patch to help people move between various software versions .

                      However, there is a lot more to MS office than word, there is  powerpoint, excel, publisher, access, outlook, picture manager, infopath. Quite a lot with many new additions and yet easy to view in any version - quite clever.

                       

                      Re the updates of new versions which creates new types of objects, yes I can totally understand that . However my AI files, they are nothing special, no fancy effects, no new anything, just plain old simple boring shapes with a fill and a colour , just the same as illustrator was back in version 7. My files contain some text and a couple of squares and some circles, nothing fancy.

                      But thank you for your help  - I must go now and learn about software programming and figure out a way to help people overcome this issue, at least when only employing simple shapes in illustrator that have been around for years. 

                      • 8. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                        CHMprepress Community Member

                        When your files are so simple, maybe a idea to work on both systems with the same version off CS. And if you don't want to upgrade the system with CS4 to CS5 you can maybe down grade the system with CS5 to CS4.

                        This way you wont have any problems with your files.

                        • 9. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                          MarmaladePips Community Member

                          very true wish i'd thought of that before i went out and bought the newer version but thank you - I won't be doing this because I like the perspective grid in C

                          • 10. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                            MarmaladePips Community Member

                            sorry, I hit my return button by accident......... yes i like to use it for personal stuff with the perspective grid .. its work stuff that I am having the issues with. thank you for your help though.

                            • 11. Re: Files created in CS5 displaying incorrectly in CS4 illustrator
                              MarmaladePips Community Member

                              if i had known this was going to be such a problem, i wouldnt have gone down the route. I've used photoshop for years and never had to save files in other versions, it all seemed to work very well. I had no reason not to think the same of illustrator - I wonder why Photoshop works across all versions , but not illustrator.... hmmmm?