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1. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
michaelgoshey Feb 1, 2013 3:04 PM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)Thanks for your post. This is something we've been discussing internally on the team and have had some other similar requests for a "print my markers" type of feature. Are there any other pieces of information not already in the Marker List Panel that you'd also like to see in a print out? Does it matter if the output report is a PDF or Excel or CSV (this one is harder if you want to include the thumbnail image of course)? Do you also have any need for a simple text output of marker data? Would you like to use the Adobe Creative Cloud to share this information with other people and/or applications?
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Michael
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2. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
fsmith1952@aol.com Feb 4, 2013 7:11 AM (in response to michaelgoshey)It would be much more helpful if the information could be put into an editable format such as Exdel, so that we could do more of a "paper edit". A simple text output would be very helpful too, but having a thumbnail makes it much clearer what the clip is all about. It would be good to be able to select the thumbnail too, since some of the clips begin in black and are therefore useless.
Beyond that.. it would also be a BIG help to be able to move back and forth from at least some of the windows in Prelude. So far.. what I was trying to do and couldn't find a GOOD way to do is to toggle between a window with a play/pause function and the window where I was typing the clip name and description. I marked an in point for the beginning of a clip.. then let it play... clicked in the clip name field.. typed in a name then went to the description field... and would basically paraphrase what was being said. I am a decent typist, but I had to pause the playback several times... and it is very clunky navigating between fields...and disrupts the typing/playback flow.
Beyond those issues with prelude... when are you guys going to clean up and improve the interface with Speedgrade? That interface is full of problems too.
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3. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
fsmith1952@aol.com Feb 5, 2013 4:06 PM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)OK... MORE issues. After I did all my work in prelude and then simply opened a Premiere Pro project... I thought that I'd experiment using the speech analysis tool. I told premiere to analyze it all.. which took HOURS. Heck, I went to bed. Anyhow, when I then reopened the project in Prelude.. there were THOUSANDS of one word markers in it, identifying each and every word. This made things choke. It wasn't a pretty sight. So bogged down that I couldn't even export the subclips into premiere without doing it one at a time and VERY slowly at that. This stinks. So, I used the clip filter... to look ONLY at speech analysis and dumped ALL of that..which took almost 15 minutes for it to figure out too.. Fine... that's not a road I want to go back down any time soon. AND there is no easy way to figure that out... like, I thought I'd want to just DUMP all the speech analysis from the metadata from premiere... No go.. unless you want to do it ONE WORD AT A TIME. What's up with that?
FURTHERMORE... When logging subclips in Prelude... After selecting the in and out points I made up a name for the subclip. In the Marker Inspector window.. there is also a LARGE field below the clip name. I spent a LOT of time putting in a rough transcript of each shot... a synopsis of sorts... WHERE is that information when I want to find it in Premiere???? This is NOT very well thought out. SOMEBODY help me on this... I fell like I wasted a TON of time to no avail.
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4. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
Wes Plate Feb 6, 2013 11:33 AM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)Beyond that.. it would also be a BIG help to be able to move back and forth from at least some of the windows in Prelude. So far.. what I was trying to do and couldn't find a GOOD way to do is to toggle between a window with a play/pause function and the window where I was typing the clip name and description. I marked an in point for the beginning of a clip.. then let it play... clicked in the clip name field.. typed in a name then went to the description field... and would basically paraphrase what was being said. I am a decent typist, but I had to pause the playback several times... and it is very clunky navigating between fields...and disrupts the typing/playback flow.
When you're typing into the Marker Inspector you can drive playback from your keyboard without leaving the Marker Inspector to click on the transport controls in the Monitor panel. Hold Option (Mac) or Alt (Win) while you press the JKL keys, the H key to jump back 5 seconds during playback or Space to toggle between play and pause.
So, for example, you're typing along with your paraphrasing and you want to pause playback for a moment. All you need to do is press Alt/Option+Space and playback will pause and you can continue typing. When you're ready to continue playing press Alt/Option+Space again and playback will continue.
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5. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
Wes Plate Feb 6, 2013 12:40 PM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)Sorry to hear about the performance issues you experienced. I'll pass this along to our devs so we can look at improving the performance when there are so many markers. This is really good feedback.
We are aware that Subclip descriptions don't translate to Premiere Pro. We have this feature in our backlog and hope to introduce it in the future. I'll add your voice to the feature too, where would you like to see the subclip description appear in Premiere? A thought I had was the "Description" column in the Premiere Pro project panel.
A possible workaround: In Prelude subclips are markers and it is possible to change markers from one type to another. You can also copy and paste markers. So maybe this will help...
- In Prelude open your clip containing subclips and park the CTI at the beginning of the first subclip marker
- Switch to the Marker List panel for easy access to all of your markers
- If you have other markes besides Subclips use the filter to show only subclips
- Select all of your subclips
- Copy
- Paste
- be sure your CTI is parked at the head of the first subclip so that you paste starting from the same place
- Now don't deselect anything, go to the Marker Inspector and change the marker type to Comment
This seems like it could help you, you'll still have your subclips to edit from and you'll be able to see your descriptions in the marker.
It is easy to do in practice, this little movie demonstrates ( https://vimeo.com/59094250 )...
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6. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
fsmith1952@aol.com Feb 7, 2013 8:02 AM (in response to Wes Plate)Yes, the "description" field would be the most obvious and helpful field to have the comments show up in. It's defaulted to be right next to the clip name....so that would work well. I tried your suggestion for copying the notes I took to the "comments" field... and they still do NOT show up in my Premiere Pro metadata.. am I doing something wrong?
And.. yet another thingy..... When I double click on a Prelude project document... it can't find the prelude application to open it. When I try to tell the document to be open with prelude... I can't find the application... what's up with that? I have to double click the application icon... and then tell it which document/project to open. Is this also me... or is this application just really not yet ready for prime time?
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7. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
Wes Plate Feb 7, 2013 8:35 AM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)I'll send you an email and try to set up a time to speak on the phone and share your screen so I can see how your steps are different than the steps I demonstrated above. When I did it I saw the comment marker displaying the comment description and it seemed potentially useful.
Opening .plproj files directly has been requested a number of times and is on our backlog. I encourage you to file feature requests when you have suggestions, the more votes a feature gets the higher priority it gets. http://adobe.com/go/wish
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8. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
michaelgoshey Feb 11, 2013 2:50 PM (in response to fsmith1952@aol.com)Hi -
Wanted to share the keyboard driven workflow in Prelude we have for logging. It doesn't require you to use the Marker Inspector at all actually. (That is still an option, but as you found out you need to do a number of mouse clicks to get around). In the KeyBoard driven workflow you don't need to touch the mouse at all.
Each time you add a marker to a clip you will get what we call the "Head Up Display" text entry box just below the Tab Area for The Timeline Panel and the Marker List Panel. This HUD will ask you for the text fields of the markers (NAME and DESCRIPTION). By hitting the TAB key you will toggle between each marker field and can thus enter the necessary text. The HUD is basically a text edit control like any other in the app, but comes with some secret powers as far as controlling playback are concerned. Before we get to that let's review some of the common keyboard shortcuts for controlling playback in Prelude:
J=> Reverse Playback (each press increases speed)
K => Stop Playback
L => Play/Fast Forward (each press increases speed)
And some Marker Commands:
I => Set Marker In-Point for selected marker
O => Set Marker Out-Point for selected marker
These command work just fine. But when you have the HUD displayed and are entering text, hitting the "K" key to stop playback so you can catch up with our description typing will simply add the character 'K' into the text field. Probably NOT what you want. But, if you hold the ALT/OPT key down AND hit "K" at the same time you'll notice playback stops, no "K" is added to your text edit control HUD and in fact focus remains in the HUD text edit control. By holding down the ALT/OPT key and using the playback and Marker keyboard shortcuts you still perform those commands without losing focus in the text edit control. This is how you can efficiently log via just the keyboard.
It does take a little getting used to, but after a little practice this becomes an invaluable workflow tool for fast logging.
Hope this helps!
Michael
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9. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
MadDash_Jason Sep 4, 2014 7:25 AM (in response to Wes Plate)Oh my god, I've been searching for play/pause toggling during typing, thanks Wes for indirectly answering my question
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10. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
PixelshotWDC2 Oct 30, 2014 11:43 AM (in response to michaelgoshey)Michael, were these keyboard shortcuts removed for the 2014 release? They do not work for me now (holding down option and jkl or space), but they do still work in the CC version (pre 2014). Also, can the keystroke be changed by the keyboard shortcut window? I can't find them in there anywhere. Thanks.
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11. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
PixelshotWDC2 Oct 30, 2014 11:48 AM (in response to PixelshotWDC2)turns out they do work, but only after modifying a conflicting keystroke from another program. Funny that CC could do it though. This leads to my next question - can that (option) keystroke be changed?
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12. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
OTExecutiveProducer Nov 7, 2014 5:35 PM (in response to michaelgoshey)Michael,
Did the feature to print out markers/comments ever make it into an update? I would love to print out my comments that I logged onto an air check to share with a director of a recent live webcast!
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13. Re: Using Prelude to collaborate
michaelgoshey Nov 8, 2014 9:49 AM (in response to OTExecutiveProducer)Hi,
We have Export Markers feature which is available from the FILE->EXPORT main menu area.
You can export markers from any selected clip(s) or subclip(s) into either HTML format or CSV format. Once you open the output in a browser or spreadsheet you can print from there.
Premiere Pro also has a Marker Export feature that may include sequence marker export capabilities. I haven't yet played with that though.
Hope this helps.
Thanks,
Michael


