23 Replies Latest reply on Feb 6, 2013 5:56 AM by stretchdavea

    Premiere project size-major bug

    stretchdavea Level 1

      This is the second MAJOR issue I have had with potentially wonderful creative suite this week. This makes me doubt my move from FCP.

      I have noted that back in 2012 there were threads about project bloating. Well, my very importatnt project is now leapt up to over 6 gig in size-looking back at the history in file size. It went from a humble sub-200mb to 1.7Gig to over 6 gig.

       

      My colleague convinced me to move from FCP to Adobe. I had HUGE issues with Encore this week(still not resolved) pretty lame support & now this. I have been religiously saving projects(and auto saving)but my days work seems LOST as my projects and auto saves are too big. I have a BRAND NEW macbook with max ram. Very fast.

       

      I have now wasted several hours and got nowhere.

       

      I guess work around might be to try to load sequence from bloated project into older project.

       

      Can think of better ways to spend my saturday evenings.

       

      My partner is next door working on a major documentary(over 1 hour long.) My project sequences are 10 minutes long. She is working on a 4 year old macbook with 4 gig ram and the project is fine. I am stuffed with the latest macbook pro. 64 bit with a 64 bit program. Difference is. She is still using FCP.

       

      Please give me some good reasons why I shouldnt move back to a programme that was rock solid for me. Tell me this bloating is a one-off and it wont happen again.

       

      I will start another post sometime about Encore issues that need addressing.

       

      CS6

      Macbook pro retina - 16 gig ram

       

      Very tired now.

        • 1. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
          Steven L. Gotz Level 5

          Bloating is often caused by the use of warp stabilizer.  If you are using that effect, there are ways to deal with it. One is to wait until you get everything else done before you stabilize. Another is to stabilize first and then export to an editable codec, preferably lossless.

           

          If you are not using warp stabilizer, perhaps you could share with us the kinds of media and other assets you have added to the project.

          • 2. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
            stretchdavea Level 1

            Hi Steven

             

            I dont think I am susing any stabizer. I am tring to work out what I did within half an hour since previous version. I loaded up the previous version OK. That was created at 13.47(UK time). At 14.20 the "save as" version s 6.27 gig.

             

            All I did was make a duplicate of the sequence and a bit of editing. I am trying to import the newer sequence, but the import is very slow as 6 gig is a LOT of code for Prem to sift through. I can see the progress bar moving at snails pace-may leave it loading til tomorrow.

             

            I cant think of anything else I did.

             

            Checking auto saves-seems that since the last good save of the non-bloated project, there was one auto save before I "saved as" the next version. That wa also 6.27 gig.

             

            Pretty annoying to say the least and a bug that should have been fixed.I saw posts from 2012 on this.

             

            When I can open the new sequence I will post any info I can.

             

            Thanks

             

            Dave

            • 3. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
              Steven L. Gotz Level 5

              Sorry, but there is something wrong with your workflow or I misunderstood.

               

              What do you mean when you say you made a duplicate of the sequence? When I right click on  a sequence in the Project Panel (on a PC) and tell it I want to make a duplicate, it is virtually instantaneous. There is no importing.

               

              Also, why make a duplicate? Sometimes people do that to have different views of the same project to show a client, but sometimes all you really need to do is nest the sequence into a new sequence and add your effects, if that is the purpose of making a duplicate.

              • 4. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                SteveHoeg Adobe Employee

                If you are willing to share your project with us to look into what is going wrong feel free to PM me

                • 5. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                  stretchdavea Level 1

                  Thanks Steven.

                   

                  When I make major changes on a sequence, often I will make a dup of it-in case I need to return to it. I have all of my back up sequences in a folder and I can see the project size increasing incrementally. I will then sometimes "save as" and version my new project . This is good practice. And if I hadnt ever done that, I would now be stuck with one 6.27 gig project that I would have to use high explosives to get into!. I am now using my last good project(even my auto saves were getting unmanagebly big.

                   

                  Dave

                  • 6. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                    stretchdavea Level 1

                    To update: I worked for a while on previous(working) project and deleted preview files and render files. Resulting project size 141 meg.

                     

                    Still have history of previous auto saves leaping up: from 184 mb to 1.69 gig. Stayed there for 6 auto saves then jumped to 3.26 gb for one, then to over 6gig.

                     

                    I will watch the size of autosaves and report.

                     

                    Dave

                    • 7. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                      Steven L. Gotz Level 5

                      Aha! That's the issue.

                       

                      You are using a a different word than any of us would use.

                       

                      A sequence is a timeline. You can have multiple sequences in a project. What you are doing is duplicating the project. The actual file itself. Now I get it.

                       

                      Ok, that makes sense.

                       

                      If I were you I would open the project just before the size jumped and look around. Then open the one where it jumped and see what is different. There is probably an effect somewhere with a huge amount of keyframes.

                       

                      -- Steven

                      http://www.stevengotz.com

                      • 8. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                        stretchdavea Level 1

                        Thanks for the message-not sure where I went wrong-all the menus call timelines sequences! Sequence presets, new sequence etc etc. Should I be calling them timelines?

                         

                        Anyway-all I was trying to do is import a sequence from a previous project(from the bloated one)

                         

                        I have bitten the bullet, given up hoping to rescue the bloated project and just had to redo all the work I lost.

                         

                        This is virtually the same sequence that bloated. There was under an hour od work between the two and I had only been choppig clips out of a sequennce. No major graphics. However if you are telling me that keyframes can make 6 gig(yes 6 GIG) difference in project size then I think the programmers need to rethink their code!!!

                         

                        I will report if I can see what went wrong, but I think the bloated projects would take days to open(I left one over night-about 1/5 th open)

                         

                        Cheers

                        Dave

                        • 9. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                          Steven L. Gotz Level 5

                          Oh. So you are talking about sequences. Timelines are what measure out the sequence, or you can just use them pretty much interchangeably. You said you duplicated a sequence and I could not figure out how that would cause a problem. Then you said you have backup sequences - there is no way to back up just a sequence unless you import it into a new project and save it. Not to worry, I think we have focused in on it now.

                           

                          I don't have any projects that large, so I am not sure what could cause it besides effects and keyframes. Audio keyframes could easily be the culprit. I can certainly make one that large. However, there has to be some difference between the small project and the large project. Dig deeper. Or, post a copy of the two projects where I can download them and I will compare them using a text tool.

                           

                          The biggest project I have has Warp Stabilization on it but the ones with audio keyframes are big also.

                          • 10. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                            stretchdavea Level 1

                            Could post the 150 meg & set the smaller(1.7 gig) loading overnight. The 6 gig would take quite a bit of time!!! I am in no rush now, as I have reverted to a "good" project and am carefully watching to see if the auto saves creep up in size by themselves....

                             

                            Dave

                            • 11. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                              Steven L. Gotz Level 5

                              I understand. 6G downloads a lot faster than it uploads, but overnight will generally do the job. Zipping it up reduces the file size a bit. Maybe 20% or even more. It is worth trying it that way.

                               

                              Before you do that, did you do any work with the audio mixer? If not, I am even more interested in seeing the file.

                               

                              If you would not mind, please include the frame size, duration, and codec of the media you are editing so I can simulate it. I won't have the same picture on the monitor, but if when it asks me to find the files, if I have files of the approximate type, size and duration, it might be easier to detect the problem.

                              • 12. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                stretchdavea Level 1

                                Couldn't upload project today as bandwidth tied up with another film! HOWEVER-I have managed to create a MASSIVE project bloat. This is on the same project. Editing all day, project quite happily sitting around the 160meg mark. THen needed to do a couple of titles. 4, so far. Created words in titler. Dropped on timeline & applied a gausssian blur filter to the text(2 key frames to "blur" the title out.

                                 

                                OK note the 4 tiles added. So why does my project file now take up 3.7gig?

                                 

                                At least I found one possible culprit.Although, not sure if that is what I did last time. Anyway. 3.7 gig? 4 titles?

                                 

                                Not funny.

                                 

                                I am just going to remove the tiles. Allow another autosave and hope this is at least consistantly bad news.

                                 

                                Dave

                                • 13. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                  stretchdavea Level 1

                                  Titles deleted from the timeline. Of course I have a load of undos, so I am going to try to lose them! Just tried. Still a big project. Did over 32 actions to bin the graphic action from undo queue.

                                   

                                  Now I seem stuck with a stupidly big project again.

                                   

                                  This is really getting me down. I have a deadline and a client. I am fed up of blaming software.

                                  • 14. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                    stretchdavea Level 1

                                    5.99 gig now.

                                     

                                    This is definitly a software fault now.

                                    • 15. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                      stretchdavea Level 1

                                      You want to have ago at unravelling this one? My partner(three feet away working on FCP) has noticed I have gone rather quiet in my evangelising about Premiere. Think she is gloating.

                                      Dave

                                      • 16. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                        stretchdavea Level 1

                                        Just deleted a few clips off the timeline. 7.32GB and climbing. Watch out! Just as well the sequence is just a few minutes long. If it was a docu we would all be engulfed....

                                        • 17. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                          Stan Jones Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                                          Dave, did you take Steve Hoeg up on his offer at post 4?

                                           

                                          Anyone? Is this a variation of the issues from 2010? Or something else?

                                          http://forums.adobe.com/message/2869896#2869896

                                          • 18. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                            stretchdavea Level 1

                                            Thanks. It does look like a similar issue - I spotted that a couple of days ago when I first had this come up. I have said I am happy for Steve to take this up-I messaged him, but he is probably busy.

                                            Cheers

                                            Dave

                                            • 19. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                              Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                              stretchdavea wrote:

                                               

                                              Thanks. It does look like a similar issue - I spotted that a couple of days ago when I first had this come up. I have said I am happy for Steve to take this up-I messaged him, but he is probably busy.

                                              Cheers

                                              Dave

                                              Steve is a busy guy, but I'm sure he will get back to you. Please have him look at your project. Thanks!

                                              • 20. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                                stretchdavea Level 1

                                                Happy for anyone to get to the bottom of this!! Its a bit big to send, but I could upload overnight, unless he can look at it remotely

                                                Dave

                                                • 21. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                                  Jeff Bellune Adobe Community Professional

                                                  Please don't double-post.  I answered your other topic and deleted the duplicate posts in this one.

                                                   

                                                  Jeff

                                                  • 22. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                                    stretchdavea Level 1

                                                    Thats the trouble with posting when you arent thinking. However, thought it may have been a related issue with a flakey install(following the bloat issue).

                                                     

                                                    Thanks though for your dilligance!

                                                    • 23. Re: Premiere project size-major bug
                                                      stretchdavea Level 1

                                                      Have been using 6.0.2. and I think the boat has gone away...

                                                       

                                                      Maybe it was the change of diet....

                                                       

                                                       

                                                      Will keep posted if the issue recurs

                                                       

                                                      Dave