6 Replies Latest reply on Feb 6, 2013 12:12 AM by Laubender

    Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)

    jmw107 Level 1

      Hi -- I have what I am sure is a very old question, but it's one I have been unable to find an answer for.

       

      Is there a way to keep descenders from falling outside the bottom of a text frame? Our users run their text frames all the way to the bottom of the pages, and the descenders often get wiped in the printing process.

       

      Any creative solutions that do not require a lot of manual action by the users? Having them manually adjust the text frames seems quite silly considering how sophisticated InDesign is.

       

      thanks

        • 1. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
          Jump_Over Level 5

          Hi,

           

          if your text paragraph styles don't use "keep baseline" option:

          ==> your document default text frame could has some bottom inset set (text frame options settings)

           

          if your text paragraph styles use "keep baseline" option:

          ==> your document baseline grid could be modified to jump up by some space ("baseline grid start: " in Preferences), so the last grid would keep proper distance from a bottom of page.

           

          hopefully...

          • 2. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
            Peter Spier Most Valuable Participant (Moderator)

            I take it you are printing on a device like a copier or desktop printer that has a non-imaging border of some sort.

             

            ID really doesn't know anything about the printing conditions, and on a press this would be a non-issue, just as bleed is a non-issue on press. It's up to you to do your documetn setup in such a way that your file will fit the output conditions. One way to do that would be to set a bottom margin that is far enough inside the page that descenders stay in the imagable area. another would be to add bottom inset to the text frame, as Jump_Over suggests, but I'm not terribly fond of that since a manual adjustment of frame height would carry the inset along for the ride, and I'm even less fond of setting the type to require alignment to a grid becasue it's pretty inflexible.

            • 3. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
              Joel Cherney Adobe Community Professional & MVP

              Any creative solutions that do not require a lot of manual action by the users? Having them manually adjust the text frames seems quite silly considering how sophisticated InDesign is.

               

              Are you by any chance familiar with the acronym PEBCAK? If you have control over the templates your users are using, you can define the Basic Text Frame object style to have some inset at the bottom of the frame. (I found the handy add-bottom-inset solution here, with the Google search terms "indesign descender outside of frame".) But there is nothing forcing your users to use the Basic Text Frame style, or even from editing said style themselves.

               

              I can imagine a wide variety of solutions to this issue - another approach would be a Preflight Profile that had the "Bleed/Trim Hazard" option checked, and that had aggressive settings for "Bottom." But none of them are foolproof (i.e. users can turn Preflight off), so the root of your issue must be addresssed with InDesign operator education.

              • 4. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
                Joel Cherney Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                Whoops, never mind my Preflight suggestion. <sound of palm smacking forehead>

                 

                But the sociological user-experience stuff is still valid, I think.

                • 5. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
                  [Jongware] Most Valuable Participant

                  > Having them manually adjust the text frames seems quite silly considering how sophisticated InDesign is.

                   

                  I'm not sure what this means. Surely any templates or example files you provide to your users have no overly large text frames, and thus they *choose* to enlarge them "manually"?

                   

                  To help myself and colleagues remember Real Important stuff, I type it out as text, in a big bold font, coloured bright red, and on a layer of its own. *Then* I: (1) set this text frame to non-printing; (2) lock the frame; (3) set the layer to non-printing; (4) lock the layer. It's pretty hard to accidentally miss *all* of those little non-verbal clues :-)

                   

                  For the text, you could draw a line and write under it "Do not cross this line, or suffer the consequences."

                  • 6. Re: Keeping descenders inside text frames (CS3)
                    Laubender Adobe Community Professional & MVP

                    @Jongware – and then one day out of the blue, someone is working on after accidently hitting "y" instead of "v" allegedly using the keyboard shortcut for "Paste in Place".*

                    And from now on is missing all those good intended hints ;-)

                    Until the time, the same accident will happen again ;-)

                     

                    Just kidding…

                     

                     

                    Uwe

                     

                     

                     

                    * on Mac OSX:

                     

                    "alt + shift + cmd + y" = Overprint Preview
                    "alt + shift + cmd + v" = Paste in Place