13 Replies Latest reply: Feb 9, 2013 1:19 PM by Steven L. Gotz RSS

    Image in playback window resizes

    Leofwyne

      Hi

      Ive loaded half a dozen good quality dslr images into a sequence (using the drag/drop to new sequence method to ensure appropriate sequence format) and they look fine until I add transitions then render and save when they resize pop in by about 15% (squeeze in at sides only). This resizing which leaves black borders on the sides can be adjusted back by grabbing the image edge handle and tweeking by a nats at which time it pops back to normal until i save etc etc

      whats going on??

        • 1. Re: Image in playback window resizes
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          Can you give us the full details of your Sequence Settings, and also the dimensions of the Still Images?

           

          Is Scale to Frame Size checked?

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Image in playback window resizes
            Steven L. Gotz Community Member

            Besides what Bill said, why are you having to render? And what are you going to do with a frame size that big?

             

            I tried what you said you were doing and it didn't misbehave at all. So you probably need to provide a lot more information about your settings and your workflow for us to try and recreate the issue.

             

            What graphics card do you have in your computer?

            • 3. Re: Image in playback window resizes
              Leofwyne Community Member

              Pics sizes vary widely from 1896x1264, 1896x2903, portrait and landscape plus smaller ones used in a title frame of 545x525 and 189x103

              Sequences when created as above arrive at 1896x1264, 25 fps, 48000Hz -

              The description is

              "For editing most DSLR Formats (like the Canon EOS Movie Full HD series) recorded in 1280x720 square pixels.

              16:9 Progressive HD video at 23.976 frames per second.

              48 kHz audio."

               

              Re scale to frame size checker - where is that option?

              Graphics card is Nvidia GeForce G210

               

              Hope that helps and thx for getting back to me

              • 4. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                Hmmm. OK.

                 

                I think that if I were to edit stuff like that I would probably choose a 720p setting (1280X720) like the one for the video out of the camera. The easy way, of course, is to take some 720p video and then create your sequence using that video clip. Use 24p or 25p or 30p depending on what you want to do and where you live. Using 24p generally works pretty nicely for images.

                 

                Then adjust the sizes of the photos as required. Avoid "Scale to Frame Size". Use the scale parameter of the Motion effect instead. That way you can pan around the photo if you wish.

                 

                I shoot photos that exceeld the 1920X1080 frame size of full HD so I use that as a sequence size. But yours is less than that, so 720p makes the most sense to me.

                 

                Perhaps if you used a standard seting like that, the problem might not appear?

                • 5. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                  Leofwyne Community Member

                  I should add that when I DONT render ( I thought all sequences should be rendered??) I can save and export and it works ok.  When its rendered it pops in to the squeezed format...

                  • 6. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                    Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                    If you playback from the timeline is normal, then you do not have to render.

                    • 7. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                      Leofwyne Community Member

                      thanks anne -can you explain the purpose of rendering then?

                      • 8. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                        Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                        Steven L. Gotz wrote:

                         

                        Hmmm. OK.

                         

                        I think that if I were to edit stuff like that I would probably choose a 720p setting (1280X720) like the one for the video out of the camera. The easy way, of course, is to take some 720p video and then create your sequence using that video clip. Use 24p or 25p or 30p depending on what you want to do and where you live. Using 24p generally works pretty nicely for images.


                        Yes, since you're editing still images, the above advice is very good. You do not want to drag and drop the stills to the New Item button for a good workflow, use a preset as was suggested by Steven.

                         

                        • Rendering might be necessary for previewing an effect in real time.
                        • Rendering might be the thing to do when you want to preview some kinds of high quality footage in real time at full quality.

                         

                        If you don't need to do these things, it is not necessary to render while you work.

                        • 9. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                          Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                          OK, I have good news and I have bad news.

                           

                          I have been able to recreate the problem on my system.

                           

                          The good news is that it is nothing to worry about for most people. If you add effects and you have to render to get real time playback, it does squish the images leaving a black border. However, it doesn't export that way as far as I can tell, even if you tell it to use the render files, which I never, ever do, for any of my videos. If you create titles or masks that require exact dimensions, it appears that you can use the squished image and it will expand as required upon export. That requires further testing by someone who needs to edit this way. I don't.

                           

                          If you delete the render files, the images go back to normal. So you could generate your masks and titles that way and then just render again.

                           

                          The bad news is that it does appear to be a bug that needs to be fixed because it will certainly confuse any clients looking over your shoulder. If you render the entire work area, thinking that since you didn't add any effects to most of it there should not be a problem, think again. You don't need to add effects for the problem to appear.

                           

                          So, it is off to put in a bug report.  https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                           

                          However, something tells me that if this is not an easy fix, it might end up on the bottom of the pile of reports. I doubt that there are many people editing video using the DSLR images at full size. Why? How would anyone play them back? The biggest screen I have is 1920X1080 and I am pretty much ahead of the curve. Most people who do not edit video have screens with smaller dimensions.

                           

                          Eventually that will change as people get 4K televisions, so it might be a really good idea to fix it now rather than wait until the last minute and fail to get it into the release that hits just before the Christmas sales of 4K televisions at Sears and Walmart.

                           

                          For those of you playing along at home it looks like the second image below. Look at the righthand edge:

                           

                          Capture.JPGCapture.JPG

                           

                          Edit: My report has been submitted. Your turn.

                          • 10. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                            Leofwyne Community Member

                            This is super-helpful - thanks for your reply and the work you put into this.

                            For me the "squish" (perfect term!) was more pronounced hence more scary and wierd stuff like some not squishing and others squishing only for the duration of the transition effect were confusing (see unrendered/rendered below):

                            squish1.pngsquish2.png

                            Im pleased the unrendered file saved and loaded to YT ok (ie unsquished) but the sequence chosen by the autoselect method I described leads to a finished format under-optimised for youtube ie not squished but showing black bars where the widescreen capability is unused:

                            squish3.png

                            I suspect if I had chosen a video format for the sequence and saved using an output optimised for youtube widescreen HD I could overcome this but at a wider landscape format the pics, many of which wrere portrait, would've been hard to crop sensibly...(they were at the tighter format anyway).

                            As a self-taught and amateur user I am always challenged by sequence format choice and output format choice.  If you have any pearls of wisdom on these important stages (ie what criteria drive what sequence/output settings) then I'm all ears.

                            Thanks again for your input - I do genuinely love Premier and I expect I'll carry on learning as long as I am editing!

                            • 11. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                              Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                              I don't know about wisdom, but I can offer some advice.

                               

                              Read post #4 again. That is the easiest way. If your camera does not shoot video, then I suggest you use the DSLR setting for 720p and select 720p24 @23.976

                               

                              Capture.JPG

                              As far as output goes, use H.264 and select the YouTube preset 720p 23.976

                               

                              Sorry, but there is no good way to fit a portrait image into a landscape sequence. Pan up or down to see the entire photo, or crop it as much as you can, or both.

                              • 12. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                                the_wine_snob Community Member

                                For "portrait oriented" Still Images, one has basically two choices (though I will add a variation to the first):

                                 

                                1. Use the portrait Still Image, just as it is, filling top to bottom of the horizontal (landscape) Video Frame, leaving black on each side. See variation below.
                                2. Use the Fixed Effect>Motion>Scale to increase the width of the portrait Still, to fill that Video Frame, but effectively cropping the top & bottom, or with the Fixed Effect>Motion>Position, degrees of one, or the other. Note: this Scaling will degrade the Image to some degree.

                                 

                                Now for that variation: I use "abstract backgrounds" to fill what would otherwise be the areas of black, beside the Still Image, as outlined here: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2471303#2471303. What one uses to create that "abstract background," is limited only by the editor's imagination.

                                 

                                I see a lot of footage displayed on FoxNews, that was shot 4:3, but then used in Widescreen broadcast. There, they often will Scale the footage, Blur and "ghost" it, disregarding the loss of quality with the Scale, as it will not really be seen. Then, just run the 4:3 material as a PiP (Picture in Picture). With enough Blur and ghosting, that background is very abstract, though it is actually a manipulated version of what is in the PiP.

                                 

                                Good luck,

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 13. Re: Image in playback window resizes
                                  Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                  More to add to Bill's list.

                                   

                                  Show two portrait images side by side to fill up the frame better. Or maybe, for artistic purposes. you use one image and a copy and flip one over to be mirror image of the other.

                                   

                                  Use your imagination. Think outside of the box, or the frame as it were, and see what appeals to you.