16 Replies Latest reply: Feb 26, 2013 4:10 AM by Stan Jones RSS

    Transcoded Videos are too Big

    commonguy101 Community Member

      Hi,

       

      I'm new to Encore. I built my project this week with navigation menu for my 7 videos.

      My videos are not big in general. If I leave Encore do transcode for my porject, this will create huge files for my videos that would

      take up a lot of spaces on DVD.

       

      I started it over. I imported my video. Right click on the file to edit Transcode setting. I played with Min., Traget, Max Bitrate.

      If I lower anyone of them, I would reduce my file sizes but the quality are not great. I need to keep adjusting the bitrate and preview

      my project and see if the video quality is acceptable.

       

      My question is. Are there anyway to transcode small portion of my video. I don't need to wait until the whole process is finished.

      I don't seem to find such option to do that. I'm forced to transcode my entire video before I turn my video to timeline and do a test.

       

      Also, am I on the right track to minmize my transcoded video's filesizes?

       

      Thanks.

        • 1. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
          John T Smith MVP

          If you export from PPro as DV AVI (regular or widescreen, as appropriate) and then tell Encore to use "automatic" transcoding, Encore will take care of the transcoding math for you, to make a "best fit" of video size to your type of disc... single or dual layer

          • 2. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
            Stan Jones MVP

            What the total length in minutes of your videos?

            • 3. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
              Ann Bens ACP/MVPs

              Use DL to let Encore do the math for you or export from Premiere with mpeg2-dvd and import those files into Encore.

              No transcoding is needed, just build a menu and burn.

              • 4. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                commonguy101 Community Member

                Thanks John,

                 

                I'm new to Enocre. PPro you referred to, is that Adobe Premiere. I have my videos already in MP4 formats. I just need to put them all togehter with menu on DVD. From my experience, default automatic transcode in Encore will use a high quality setting which would generate huge transcoded file sizes. This is not what I want.

                • 5. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                  commonguy101 Community Member

                  I have 7 videos. They all are MP4 formats. They are about 14min, 22min or 25min. Nothing long and big. One MP4 video is about 127MB. After using Encore automatic transcoding, the trancoded files (within the folder) generated about 654MB. This is too big for me.

                   

                  I'm changing transcode setting and changing Bitrate quality to min: 3, target: 4, max: 4.

                  Then, transcoded video file sizes become smaller.

                   

                  This is my question. Am I on the right track to do this? Thanks.

                  • 6. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                    commonguy101 Community Member

                    Hi, I'm new to video stuff. What's DL stand for? I bascially have 7 MP4 videos. I just have the files. I don't have a working files for them. I use FinalCut but I'm thinking to use Premiere for my next simple video and try.

                     

                    Since my first trail generated too hugh transcoded files, I changed transcode settings by right click on the untranscoded video. Changed the transcode setting. (Bitrate quality)

                     

                    Min Bitrate: 3, Target: 4, Max: 4

                     

                    The result is I got smaller files but the qualities wouldn't be as good as the automatic transcoding.

                     

                    Am I on the right track to do that?

                    Thanks.

                    • 7. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                      Stan Jones MVP

                      From my experience, default automatic transcode in Encore will use a high quality setting which would generate huge transcoded file sizes.

                      That is not correct. It will select transcode settings to fit the material on disk. You appear to have something about 2 hours plus, so the quality may suffer, but it may be okay.

                       

                      Exporting from FCP as mp4 is not the best workflow. You are compressing, then sending to Encore for it to be transcoded to DVD format.

                      • 8. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                        John T Smith MVP

                        >have my videos already in MP4 formats

                         

                        Files that are "DVD legal" are MPEG2... so Encore is going to have to transcode your files to make them legal for a DVD

                         

                        I never do that, so I really can't offer any more advice

                        • 9. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                          commonguy101 Community Member

                          Thanks for your comment, anyway.

                          • 10. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                            commonguy101 Community Member

                            Can I confirm something from you?

                            Default automaic transcode in Encore will use the best quality setting to fit all videos on disk. My situation is I have 7 videos. They eventually take up about 4GB of space on DVD.

                             

                            Let's say, now I have 3 more videos (10 videos in total), default setting would adjust transcode quality accordingly to fit everything on DVD. Is this the case?

                             

                            The reason I'm so concered is my 7 videos are not HD. They are not long. They still take up almost entire DVD. What if I have a few HD videos to put on DVD? Would that run out of space in that situation?

                             

                            I generally export my FCP project to QuickTime movies. Not sure if that's a good format or not. The file sizes are generally smaller than MP4 in my situaiton.

                             

                            7 MP4 videos are given to me so I didn't really output from any sources.

                             

                            Thanks.

                            • 11. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                              Stan Jones MVP

                              Default automaic transcode in Encore will use the best quality setting to fit all videos on disk. My situation is I have 7 videos. They eventually take up about 4GB of space on DVD.

                               

                              Let's say, now I have 3 more videos (10 videos in total), default setting would adjust transcode quality accordingly to fit everything on DVD. Is this the case?

                              Yes.

                               

                              What if I have a few HD videos to put on DVD? Would that run out of space in that situation?

                              See John's answer above. DVD will not take HD. The HD must be downrezzed/transcoded to SD. It won't take any more or less space than SD footage. The amount of motion etc in the footage is more the issue. Some video will look okay at a datarate that will look terrible for other material.

                               

                              I generally export my FCP project to QuickTime movies. Not sure if that's a good format or not.

                              The best workflow is either an uncompressed/minimally compressed export to Encore for final transcoding to DVD format, or export the original to DVD format. QT can be okay if uncompressed. MP4 is not a good option as an intermediate.

                               

                              7 MP4 videos are given to me so I didn't really output from any sources.

                              Not much you can do with that if you don't have access to better source. Bring into Encore with automatic settings is probably okay.

                               

                              Your main challenge is going to be how much video you can get on the disk before it starts to look bad.

                              • 12. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                                commonguy101 Community Member

                                Thanks Stan, thanks for your inputs.

                                 

                                I would give it a try at work next time and see if I could import more videos and fit everything on DVD.

                                If that would do, I don't need to edit any transcode settings. I just leave Encore do the job for me. That would be wonderful.

                                 

                                Thanks.

                                • 13. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                                  !RobG! Community Member

                                  I'm having the same concerns as commonguy101

                                   

                                  I'm building the video in Premiere Pro CS5 and creating DVDs in Encore CS5.

                                   

                                  All video is a combination of SD video and still photos.  There is an extra audio track (mp3) of music that runs the length of each clip.

                                   

                                  Total duration is approximately 75 minutes

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

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                                  • 14. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                                    Stan Jones MVP

                                    There are several issues in this thread. What are your questions/problems? Feel free to start a new thread if they are not exactly what commonguy posed in his initial question.

                                    • 15. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                                      commonguy101 Community Member

                                      Hi Stan,

                                       

                                      I did a quick test at work today.

                                      7 videos were transcoded with Automatic setting before. Then, I create 3 more buttons

                                      and import 3 more videos. After all transcodes are done, check Build panel everything still fit on DVD. Didn't burn anything on the disk. I'm sure that's what you said. Leave automatic setting for Encore will determine the best transcode quality for my DVD.

                                       

                                      That's what Adobe Help says too:

                                       

                                      Automatic

                                       

                                      Displayed for all non-DVD-compliant or non-Blu-ray Disc-compliant assets by default.

                                      For assets with the Automatic designation, Encore determines the optimal settings for transcoding. Encore bases these settings on the number, length, and size of the assets and the available disc space. (See About bit budgeting.) You can override the Automatic data rate setting by specifying the Maximum Audio/Video Bitrate on the Advanced tab of the Project Settings dialog box. Alternatively, you can specify a transcode preset for any of these assets.

                                       

                                       

                                      That's good. The only downside is the disk spaces on my hard drive.

                                      Thanks.

                                      • 16. Re: Transcoded Videos are too Big
                                        Stan Jones MVP

                                        7 videos were transcoded with Automatic setting before. Then, I create 3 more buttons

                                        and import 3 more videos. After all transcodes are done,

                                        Before you transcode anything using automatic, you should create all menus, motion, etc and add all videos to the project. If you transcode some of the videos before this, Encore calculates to make the disc full with only those. If it is not full, it is because Encore maximizes the datarate on those and they are short enough not to fill it. If the final result after adding other videos etc is a full disk, Encore has probably transcoded using a lower datarate than the first videos.

                                         

                                        The only downside is the disk spaces on my hard drive.

                                        I'm not sure what that means.