8 Replies Latest reply on Feb 22, 2013 11:06 AM by gbrmk

    Canal at Milton Keynes, England

    gbrmk Level 1

      Canon 650D, this time with 40mm f2.8 prime lens.  BTW the UK setup is 25 fps, 1920x1080.   Sorry about a bit of wind on the mic (it was b..... freezing with a sharp wind, I wasn't dressed for it, excuses excuses).  I've attenuated it a bit (a bit too much, and not managed the audio transitions well, but heck ...)  This one is shorter than yesterday's boring bridge botch, but with a tendency to throw in effects for the sake of effects, well, um, practise ...   Hope the links work.

       

      Included, a look at the timeline at the end of the work.  Because I mucked up the audio when doing the TimeStretch, I had to delete that bit and copy the bit before it and keep on copying it 'cos it was too short, hence the funny appearance of the sound line.

       

      Final-look-of-work-for-Canal-Video_JPEG.jpg

      Here are the links to the video, Canal at Milton Keynes, England

       

      https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lc79p86srize96g/jYgA2sXif_

       

      Braces in case the belt snaps

       

      http://tinyurl.com/a8hpc4f

       

      (Sorry, the local shop has run out of helium for the moment ...)

      all best

      Brian

        • 1. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          Brian,

           

          Background noise with audio recording is a problem. Much will depend on what you wish to retain, and what you wish to eliminate. This article goes into more detail: http://forums.adobe.com/message/2860521#2860521

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            I see that you are now adding/working with PiP (Picture in Picture). Keep going!

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

             

            PS - those "canal houseboats" are neat. In Oct, we took the EuroStar to Paris from St. Pancras. I hoped for a lot of the countryside, but like many trains in the UK and Europe, we were in a 12' deep concrete "channel" for too much of the trip (plus the Chunnel), but did get to see some of the canals with the boats, just before we plunged into darkness. It was not much better in FR, as they also run the RR on an "excavated" rail line - do not get to see THAT much of the lovely countryside, just graffitti.

            • 3. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
              gbrmk Level 1

              Thanks Bill.  I've copied that link.  For several years to record meetings, music &c, I've used the H2 Handy Recorder, "Zoom" see here http://www.zoom.co.jp/english/products/h2/     A great piece of kit, whose only drawback is that if you want to handhold it (or place it on the speaker's table if he or she has a tendency to thump the table or drop books on it) you also need a gizmo from Rycote http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/mar10/articles/rycoteinvisionusm.htm

               

              This is the UK firm where I got their nicely engineered (hope you'd appreciate!) mic suspension

              http://www.canford.co.uk/Products/74-9979_RYCOTE-41119-PORTABLE-RECORDER-SUSPENSION  and you also need the Clamp Handle.

               

              But it would be a problem managing all that out in the field, plus the camera.   In my recent experiments, I've used a simple clip-on mic (but the camera strap got in the way!).  I've seen those mics that actually attach to the camera.

               

              But I shall read that article, thanks.

               

              Brian

              • 4. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
                VDOSurfer Level 3

                To remove the background noise, there seem to be some "effects" available under the Effects panel in the bottom -> Audio Effects section. I see one named "NewBlue Noise Remover" and another one named "NewBlue Hum Remover". I don't know how good they are because I have not used them. Maybe they help. At least their names say they are likely to help.

                • 5. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
                  gbrmk Level 1

                  Thanks, Surfer, yes I tried several.  I honestly can’t remember (shame) what I did cos I didn’t make notes (double shame!) but I’m pretty sure I used both one of the Effects plus simply lowering the volume.

                   

                  But now that I’ve posted two little videolettes (is that a word?) I’ll be keeping my efforts to myself for a while {phew!, I hear relief all around }

                   

                  If I get as serious about video as I am about still photography, I may well purchase one of those mics that do away with the problem of hand movements on the camera contributing to the noise, as well as noises from one of my lenses as it focuses (the Canon 40mm makes tiny little whirry sounds that I’ve seen compared to those chirrupy sounds robots make when they move about!   The zoom I used in the first vid makes no noise, and the Tamron telephoto is equally silent.  The little pancake lens makes the most noise!)

                   

                  Brian

                  • 6. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                    Brian,

                     

                    One side-note, that might/might not come into play with any external digital audio recording device is sync.

                     

                    As an example, one PrPro user, who does a lot of events and weddings, uses a bank of Zooms, along with his Panny cameras. The Pannys match perfectly, being the same exact models w/ the same settings, but he found that all of his Zooms yielded audio that had dynamic sync drift, noticeable in longer shots. With testing, he found that the Zooms ran +0.04% faster, than his Pannys did. Now, he adjusts the Audio speed (in PrPro, or Audition) by -0.04%, eliminating the OOS issues.

                     

                    One would think that in the day of electronically controlled digital recording, all cameras and all audio recorders would be 100%, but they are not. In the old days, we'd hook up our camera to our Nagra recorders, via cables, and let either the camera provide the sync signal to the Nagra, or vice versa. Now, we were only shooting 400' mags of film, so the shots were not hours long, but our sync was always 100%, and that was in the 1970's. However, we WERE tethered via those cables.

                     

                    Just something to check into, and perhaps adjust for in post-production.

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                      I find that a good shotgun, mounted on-camera (I seldom get to work with a sound crew nowadays), goes a long way at eliminating all camera/camera operator noise. One STILL has to take the ambient noise into consideration - say a lorry within range of that mic, but out of the scene, wind, people, who are not in the shot, etc.

                       

                      One big issue that I often see is with consumer cameras, that offer Surround Sound. I find that to be one of the worst ideas in modern video camera designs. It normally means that one is now recording audio 360 degrees, and most of that will NOT be what one wants. I feel that those are part of a poor marketing ploy.

                       

                      Now, DD 5.1 SS is a great thing, but it takes a professional audio crew with just the right equipment, to get it right. They also record at least 5 separate mono tracks, and usually with specialized mics for each feed, then the mix is done in the studio.

                       

                      Good luck,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: Canal at Milton Keynes, England
                        gbrmk Level 1

                        Hmm, yes ... but will I ever get to that level of sophistication, LOL    A bit like having saints – we’re never going to be as good as them but they’re a model of what we might be (even if we’re not religious!)

                         

                        cheers