11 Replies Latest reply: Mar 4, 2013 8:51 AM by whsprague RSS

    How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format

    DerekWRBC Community Member

      I have video clips from two cameras, .MTS format from a Sony RX100 and .MOV format from a 5D Mark III that I want to combine. Using the "DSLR" format of 1080i I can combine them but the quality of the .MTS clips is poor, with a sort of moire effect on thinner lines. Should I be converting the .MTS clips to .MOV format before I import them (or the other way around), and if so, how would I do that? Thanks.

        • 1. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
          Steve Grisetti CommunityMVP

          You are likely going to have some problems -- particularly if you are using a version of the program prior to version 11.

           

          The video from your RX100 purports to be AVCHD, which you should shoot in 1920x1080i for best results. Once you have, you'll need to some experimenting. Create a project using those settings, but some footage on the timeline and output it as a WMV. That should tell if you'll get satisfactory results.

           

          Likewise, particularly if you're planning on eventually mixing these formats, you should be shooting in 1920x1080  at 29.97 fps with your Canon 5D. (Both of these cams are able to shoot in mulitple formats, so it's important that you choose precisely the formats you're shooting in!) Then start a new project set up for DSLR 1920x1080p30 footage and, again, put the footage on your timeline and then output a WMV to check to see if you've got a good workflow.

           

          If you're running version 11, you can go ahead and just start editing -- even mixing the two formats and trying a test output as a WMV. Your results should be pretty good.

           

          With any other version of the program, you'll need to convert the footage from one camcorder to match that of the other in order to mix them in the same project. Otherwise, you'll likely run into all sorts of issues.

          • 2. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
            DerekWRBC Community Member

            Thanks for this. I am using version 10 of Premiere Elements, though I would upgrade it if I thought it might make a difference. I am an occasional user (once a year) and haven't yet used the version 10 after I upgraded from 9; they do it so quickly. My Sony RX100 is running at 1920x1080 but at 60i and seemingly can't be changed to run at 30/29.97. That perhaps is the issue right there. I was hoping that there would be a convertor out there so that I could simply convert the RX100 clips to the format used by the 5D3. I tried one called Wondershare Video Convertor but after what it said was a successful conversion to .MOV remained as .MTS. Any other suggestions for a convertor that works? Mixing video from different cameras must be quite a common thing for people to want to do, I would have thought; you'd think it would be a slam dunk by now!

            • 3. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
              DerekWRBC Community Member

              I made a mistake; the coverted files were going someplace else, and I found them. However, although noe .MOV files, they are not working, this time being jerky. So still need a means of converting everything to be the same to edit in Premiere Elements.

              • 4. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                the_wine_snob CommunityMVP

                If mixed footage is not working well in one Project, a different workflow might be useful.

                 

                One could do one "preliminary" Project for each footage type. Then, Export/Share/Publish to an MS AVI w/ either the Lagarith, or UT Lossless CODEC (both free, and with no quality loss) to the same specs., say 1920 x 1080 @ 29.97 FPS, then Import those into a New Project for editing.

                 

                Personally, and though I often convert files, I think that it would be the ultimate workflow.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                  Dave__J__E

                  Derek

                   

                  I’ve used PRE9 to successfully combine .mts clips (720p 25fps) from a Panasonic Lumix TZ7 still camera and .mov clips (1080p 29.976fps) from a Nikon P300 still camera. I used an  NTSC DSLR 1080p 29.976fps Project setting. Admittedly neither of the clips were interlaced whereas one of yours is - and this may be where your problem lies judging by the defects you are describing. 

                  Where were you viewing the degraded 1080i video – in the Preview window or on some exported video

                  What export format are you looking to use ?

                  I doubt that the problem is caused by the two different container types (.mts and .mov).

                  It might be worth trying a Project Setting of DSLR 1080p 29.976fps, particularly if you are happy to export in progressive format. This Project setting should cause the interlaced footage to be de-interlaced before export. Or alternatively, you could try an AVCHD  Project Setting.

                   

                  Dave

                  • 6. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                    DerekWRBC Community Member

                    Dave

                     

                    Thanks for this information. To answer your questions: I hadn't exported, I was just looking at the preview window. I am reluctant to proceed if that doesn't look right. I simply wnat to end up with a DVD, one with standard res video (it is for showing on a school TV), and one with HD for copying to someone else's computer or viewing myself. It is for a school trip arranged by a company that does these things and the video is for them for future participants. The trouble is that I barely know what I am doing, I only seem to take and process video once a year! To me, you should be able to mix any video anyway you like and it should work. All these different formats drive me round the bend! What difference might it make if I exported in progressive format instead of the interlaced? Thanks so much for your interest and help. Derek.

                    • 7. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                      Dave__J__E Community Member

                      Derek the preview screen is not particularly high quality. To get a better evaluation of the quality, I suggest you do a small test project with say one clip of each type and go through the Share process to get a proper indication of the output quality. Export the video using Share on a Computer. Now this is where I'm at a disadvantage because I have PRE9 and PRE11 but not PRE10. The export settings changed between 9 and 11 but I'm not sure where 10 fits in. So I'll give you suggested settings for 9 and 11 and you can see how they fit with 10.

                       

                      PRE11

                       

                      HD movie : AVCHD, MP4 H264 1920X1080p 30

                      MPEG movie (for NTSC DVD) : MPEG, NTSC DVD Widescreen

                       

                      PRE9

                       

                      HD Movie : MPEG, H264 1920X1080i 30

                      MPEG movie (for NTSC DVD) : MPEG, NTSC DVD Widescreen

                       

                      Good luck

                      Dave

                      • 8. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                        nabbstery

                        I have not meet issue like this.

                         

                        I think you may convert your video files from two cameras to an single format, then combine them.

                         

                        Before the conversion, Make the output files with same parameter like bit rate, quality, codec, etc,

                         

                        I did not try it so i dont know if it works, but still it a worth to try.

                         

                        Handbrake (http://www.handbrake.fr/) is a good converter to convert my video files, here i think you can convert the camera files to .mp4 format. It is free.

                         

                        If you work on a Mac, You may try with Appgeeker video converter, It comes with video conversion and merge/split function. I have discovered this app two years ago and since then I have never feel the need to use another converter software.

                        See: How to convert/merge mts and mov

                         

                        BTW, i am using a Macbook Air.

                         

                        Tell me how it goes.

                        • 9. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                          whsprague Community Member

                          Steve Grisetti wrote:

                           

                          The video from your RX100 purports to be AVCHD, which you should shoot in 1920x1080i for best results. Once you have, you'll need to some experimenting.

                          My primary camera is an RX100.  It's best video setting is "PS" which is a subset of a couple AVCHD settings.  At PS it records 1920x1080p60 and 28 Mbps.  It can be set to 1080i for lower bit rates.  It can also be set to record MP4 at 1440x1080.

                           

                          Bill

                          • 10. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                            whsprague Community Member

                            DerekWRBC wrote:

                             

                            Should I be converting the .MTS clips to .MOV format before I import them (or the other way around), and if so, how would I do that? Thanks.

                            Since you have an RX100 you should upgrade to Premier Elements 11 and Photoshop Elements 11.

                             

                            You don't get full support for the AVCHD format, espesically the RX100 "PS" 1080p setting, until PrE11.  

                             

                            Additionaly, the RX100 was not included in Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) until 7.3 (or was it 7.2).  Both PrE11 and PE11 use ACR 7 and up.  PrE10 will not accept ACR 7.0 and up.  You can load the RX 100 .ARW RAW files directly into PrE11 for slide shows or to mix with video.  It works very nicely.

                             

                            I have a project underway in PrE11 with a mix of RX100 AVCHD video and RAW photos.  Out of curiosity and your question, I found and downloaded a .MOV file.  It inserted in the time line with no fuss at all - without any conversion.  A yellow bar popped up above the clip indicating a need to "render" by pressing Enter.  It did play a little jerky in the preview window until I did press Enter.

                             

                            If you can find a way (Dropbox?) to send me a video clip from your 5Diii, I would enjoy testing it in PrE11 with clips from my RX100.  My experince so far is that it seems Adobe has beefed up it's ability to handle mixed file types.  Between my wife and granddaughters we are shooting pictures and videos with a half dozen different cameras and I have yet to discover conflicts.

                             

                            Since you say you edit video infrequently, you should know that the preview window is "real time" and the computer may have to work very hard to make the preview play smoothly.  When you "output" render it can take all the time it wants to create smooth playback.   All HD video, especially AVCHD, puts a workload on computers.   If you computer is not one of the stronger ones, you may need to pick the lower resoultion video settings on both cameras.

                             

                            Bill

                            • 11. Re: How can I mix clips in .MOV format with clips in .MTS format
                              whsprague Community Member

                              DerekWRBC wrote:

                               

                              Dave

                               

                              The trouble is that I barely know what I am doing, I only seem to take and process video once a year!

                              To solve that, take the course at lynda.com.  It is thorough, well done and enjoyable. There are courses for both PrE10 and PrE11 (and about a 1,000 other things you can do with your computer.)