9 Replies Latest reply on Mar 14, 2013 9:35 AM by jodaboda1

    Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool

    Stan Rowin

      In the old days, one could just use the crop tool and, while drawing crop lines, check the perspective box if you found that you needed to change the perspective. With CS6 if you start with the crop tool, and find you want to change the perspective, you have to change tools to the new perspective crop tool. In the process, you have to tell the newly opened dialog box that you don't want to crop, to get to the perspective tool, which now has reset to its defaults. You've lost your cropping and you have to start over.

       

      Is this the correct behavior, or am I missing something?

       

      Thanks . . .

      Stan

        • 1. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
          Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

          The perspective crop tool allows you several ways to use it:

          1. Drag a rectangle like you do it with the normal crop tool
          2. Click from one corner to the other
          3. Draw a rectangle end move the corners.
          • 2. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
            Stan Rowin Level 1

            Thanks for your reply Willi, but I understand how the perspective crop tool works. It pretty much works the way the old crop tool worked when you clicked the perspective button. But now if you start in the standard crop tool, and want to change to the perspective crop tool, you lose the crop that you just set, and have to go through 2 steps to get back to where you just were. Try it.

             

            So let me repeat my question: If you start in the regular crop tool, draw a crop retctangle, and then decide that you don't want perpendicular lines, and now want to use the perspective crop tool, can you switch to the perspective crop tool without losing the anchors you set in the regular crop tool?

            • 3. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
              Willi Adelberger Most Valuable Participant

              Start with the perspective cropt tool and you will not miss the other one.

              • 4. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                Stan Rowin Level 1

                "Start with the perspective cropt tool and you will not miss the other one."

                 

                Well that would be good if you could contstrain the perspective crop tool, but I don't think you can. If you start with the perspective crop tool, you can't guarantee pulling a corner and keeping it parallel to the original angle. You pull and it goes where it goes. If you hold down the shift key, you would thing that it would require the crop tool to keep the existing 90 degree parallels, but it doesn't. So that isn't a solution either, sorry.

                 

                Anyone else?  Or do I just have to make a request for it to appear in a future release?

                • 5. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                  conroy Level 5

                  Stan Rowin wrote:

                   

                  If you start with the perspective crop tool, you can't guarantee pulling a corner and keeping it parallel to the original angle.

                   

                  Don't pull the corners then. Pull the handles that are midway along each edge.

                   

                  By the way, the Perspective Crop Tool can't be used in documents containing Type layers, Smart Object layers or 3D layers.

                  • 6. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                    Stan Rowin Level 1

                    And as far as I can tell, even if you set the perspective crop tool to constaints, like 8x10", those constraints are totally ignored, even if you use the shift key. All of these features did work with the old crop tool.  And if you wanted to change the perspective, all you had to do was click a button. It seems like we have taken one step forward, and two steps back.

                    • 7. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                      conroy Level 5

                      Stan Rowin wrote:

                       

                      And as far as I can tell, even if you set the perspective crop tool to constaints, like 8x10", those constraints are totally ignored, even if you use the shift key. All of these features did work with the old crop tool.  And if you wanted to change the perspective, all you had to do was click a button. It seems like we have taken one step forward, and two steps back.

                       

                       

                      The W and H are not intended to be constraints on the source aspect ratio. They are for optionally specifying the destination dimensions.

                       

                      Perspective Crop Tool is a specialised tool that the designers never will have intended to be used as an alternative to a non-distorting cropping tool.

                       

                      The user is expected to be sourcing a non-rectangular quadrilateral that's to be distorted into a rectangle, so there is no reason for the tool to feature an aspect ratio constraint for the source region.

                       

                      I'm not saying that you shouldn't have the option of the CS5-style crop tools in CS6. I am only saying that I can understand why the new PCT doesn't have the same features as a regular crop tool.

                      • 8. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                        Stan Rowin Level 1

                        "The W and H are not intended to be constraints on the source aspect ratio."

                         

                        Yeah I know.  Sometimes you know you need an 8 x 10 and you want to crop to that aspect ratio, but the lines in the shot are not parallel to the edges of the frame, but you want to make them parallel by using the perspective crop tool.  In the old days it was a simpler process, starting with the crop tool and then shifting to the perspective crop tool with the button, maintaining the crop aspect ratio. It no longer is this simple.

                        Thanks anyway . . .

                        • 9. Re: Crop tool prior to CS6 vs perspective crop tool
                          jodaboda1 Level 1

                          The new crop tool sucks and it's the sole reason why I use CS5.  However, you can get pretty fast at doing this in CS6:

                           

                          1.  Use perspective crop tool.

                          2.  Wrap the crop around the whole image ("lasso" it with the p-crop tool).

                          3.  Hold alt and shift, and grab a corner to resize the crop square keeping the original aspect ratio.

                          4.  You can now rotate the crop frame, or pull corners around to correct distortion.

                           

                          This only works if your final target aspect ratio is the same as the aspect ratio of the image to start with, but for many people it is.