13 Replies Latest reply: Mar 1, 2013 7:00 PM by robirdman1 RSS

    making a movie from stills photographs

    robirdman1 Community Member

      I was taking still pictures of a duck eating and swallowing a fish with a Nikon D4 camera at 11 fps.  There is a whole lot of almost identical images and I was thinning out and deleting the excess duplication.  then I wondered if instead, such series could be used in a brief movie, either by a fast seamless slide show.  Or in PP blending the image series, perhaps interpolating between them.

       

      I remember that my first Apple 2e computer had the ability to blend one drawing you made into the following so it seems that there should be such a capability somehow.

        • 1. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
          the_wine_snob Community Member

          You can fairly easily create a "time-lapse" Video from the stills.

           

          First, I would experiment with a few in sequence, to get a handle on the desired Duration of each Still Image. That will depend on the speed, at which they were taken, either how quickly you pressed the shutter button, or the speed of the "motor-drive," of intervelometer used, and its setting. It might be that 1 Frame is ideal, or perhaps 15 to 30 (0.5 sec. to 1.0 sec.) looks best. I have used from 1 Frame to 30 Frames, but it depends on several factors.

           

          Once you get a feel for the desired look, based on the speed that the Stills were produced, then go to Edit>Preferences>General, to set the Stills Duration. Name your Still Images with sequential numbers, say "Duck00001" through "Duck0999." Import as a Numbered Sequence, and you can even add the Default Transition (this can be set for Duration on the same Preferences screen, and a bit of experimentation will likely tell you what that should be), if desired.

           

          For more reading, see the Help File for "Numbered Sequence."

           

          In CS 6, one can alter the Duration of Imported Stills, but I would do that, before Import.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
            robirdman1 Community Member

            Thanks for the quick reply. I am a little confused.  Was some of this to be done in Photoshop CS6 and then imported to Premiere Pro.

             

            I am going to reclaim some of those I deleted (before I thought of this potential) from the recycle bin.  So far everything is in the camera RAW state.  Should I make tiffs, as I usually do or jpegs and does size matter>

            • 3. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
              robirdman1 Community Member

              OK I created numbered jpegs of 21 frames, as imported as numbered stills in PP 5.

              But whether I set thing such as video default duration or till image default duration to 1, .5 or 100 frames, the whole thing goes by in a flash like 1 second. No difference.  What am I doing wrong?

              Picture were at 11 frames per second from the camera I believe and lasted several seconds.

              • 4. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                the_wine_snob Community Member

                For the file naming, with sequential numerals, one can use Bridge, or any number of Renaming utilities for that purpose.

                 

                With PrPro CS 5, and above, the internal Scaling has been improved, however, there is still the matter of the computer resources, required to do that Scaling, and for that reason, I still use Photoshop to batch Scale for my Video Projects. This article goes into more details, with steps on Scaling with PS (and also PSE): http://forums.adobe.com/message/2200755#2200755

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                  the_wine_snob Community Member

                  Approximately how many Frames to you have in this sequence? Was that 21 Still Images just for a test, or is that the full shoot? Often, Time-Lapse Projects have 1,000's of Still Images in the Sequence, but that depends on the frequency of the captures, and the Duration of the sequence.

                   

                  If it's the full thing, then I would look into something like 05 secs. (150 Frames at FPS=29.97), and adjust the Cross-Dissolves, as needed (probably about 120 Frames, or so).

                   

                  Good luck,

                   

                  Hunt

                  • 6. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                    SAFEHARBOR11 MVP

                    My understanding of importing a batch of stills as an "Image Sequence" is that it simply makes a proxy "video clip" of the stills, with the duration of each still being "one frame" of video, so it depends on the editing Sequence setting, such as 24 frames or 30 frames per second for example. I see nothing in prefs that would allow one to change the duration of stills IN a numbered sequence import.

                     

                    Of course, you CAN change the duration of stills imported AS stills. However, you must set the desired duration BEFORE importing. If you import the stills, then decide to change the length, the Prefs setting only affects stills imported AFTER the change, not stills already in the bin.

                     

                    I have a video clip of a flag waving in the breeze, and just exported 4 frames of it from Premiere as stills. I then imported those stills with a duration of 15 frames each, put them to the timeline, and added a 4 frame dissolve between each and it simulated motion pretty nicely. Of course, use whatever duration of still and transition that looks good to you, just an example.

                     

                    You can multi-select your stills in the bin, then select "Automate to Sequence" button at the bottom, and a pop-up window will allow you to set the duration of the transition so that it gets applied automatically between stills.The shorter transitions will provide more of a "morphing" look I think and will look less like an obvious dissolve.

                     

                    Thanks

                     

                    Jeff Pulera

                    • 7. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                      jstrawn Adobe Employee

                      My understanding of importing a batch of stills as an "Image Sequence" is that it simply makes a proxy "video clip" of the stills, with the duration of each still being "one frame" of video, so it depends on the editing Sequence setting, such as 24 frames or 30 frames per second for example. I see nothing in prefs that would allow one to change the duration of stills IN a numbered sequence import.

                      Your understanding is correct. Image sequences inherit a value of 29.97 and there is no direct way to change that. (there may be some indirect way I haven't thought of yet, in which case someone proabbly soon correct me).

                      Of course, you CAN change the duration of stills imported AS stills. However, you must set the desired duration BEFORE importing.

                      Also true, unless you feel like trimming each and every one to the same duration by hand. For anyone who doesn;t know, that pref is in: Edit (win) / Premiere Pro (mac) > Preferences > General > Still Image to Default Duration

                      Also, the pref, 'Defaul Scale to Frame Size is likely a nother on you'll want to check on before importing stills for stop motion.

                       

                      And then everything else Jeff said about automate to sequence and transitions is correct as well. I don;t know of any plugins (or other apps for that matter) that actually interpolate the bits of two different images and automatically animate between them. I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but my guess is that the results would not be that great unless your images were pretty similar. In which case it would probably look very much like a crss dissolve anyways.

                       

                      If you only have 21 images, my guess is that you'll want to set the image duration to no less than a second and then automate to sequence using a  the default video transition (cross dissolve) with an overlap of no more than 30 frames (or whatever equals one second in your chosen framerate). Maybe stare there and see how it goes.

                       

                      Also, Robird asks, "Was some of this to be done in Photoshop CS6 and then imported to Premiere Pro."

                       

                      For a basic animated-still movie, no, but I've gotten excellent results by using Photoshop to align and adjust the images closely before going to prpro for the movie. But doing that can be time consuming and would be a whole seperate set of instructions for the PS part. I would jus sstick with pr for now, and maybe adjust a few images by hand in PS if they're way out of whack.

                       

                      I now see that Bill and Jeff already touched on most everything I said, but there it is again if it helps... and it's possble I caught something they missed.

                      • 8. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                        J. Simon Community Member

                        Image sequences inherit a value of 29.97 and there is no direct way to change that.

                         

                        It's my understanding that the Indeterminate Media Timebase setting under Preferences>Media sets the inherent 'frame rate' for image sequences.

                         

                        This should be set before importing the images.

                        • 9. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                          jstrawn Adobe Employee

                          It's my understanding that the Indeterminate Media Timebase setting under Preferences>Media sets the inherent 'frame rate' for image sequences.

                           

                          This should be set before importing the images.

                          Yeah, that's right... it figured it was in there somewhere. Thanks. 29.97 is just the default with clean prefs. Of course, that pulldown only goes as low as 23.9 so it probably wouldn't fit Robird up to the duration he wants. Image sequences are best for big still sets where you know you just want 1 frame / image and you don't care about transitions, ken burns or anything else.

                          • 10. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                            joe bloe premiere Community Member

                            Your understanding is correct. Image sequences (in Premiere) inherit a value of 29.97 and there is no direct way to change that. (there may be some indirect way I haven't thought of yet, in which case someone proabbly soon correct me).

                            Certainly not a correction, but the indirect workaround I regularly use

                            is to interpret fps of the image sequence in Ae, create a comp, then

                            Dynamic Link the fps adjusted image sequence comp into Premiere.

                            • 11. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                              the_wine_snob Community Member

                              Jim,

                               

                              It's my understanding that the Indeterminate Media Timebase setting under Preferences>Media sets the inherent 'frame rate' for image sequences.

                              I am with you on that.

                               

                              Hunt

                              • 12. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                                the_wine_snob Community Member

                                As I am usually doing some Image adjustments in PS, I have the Images Open there already, and as there is likely not to be any Keyframing on Pan & Zoom in a "Time-lapse," I just do a final Scale there, plus the file Rename, to get me my sequential numbering.

                                 

                                If one does NOT need to do any Image adjustments, they have a CUDA capable card, with a computer that can handle many large Stills, to be Scaled by PrPro (CS 5, or above), then the Scale in PS is probably not needed, but if one has PS CS 6, then there should be little difference in quality in the Scale, whether with PS, or PrPro.

                                 

                                Hunt

                                • 13. Re: making a movie from stills photographs
                                  robirdman1 Community Member

                                  I don't understand a lot of this on first reading so, I'll have to go over it all carefully.  I actually had 2 long ( several seconds of this Merganser swallowing a fish)  At 11 fps there would have been many more than 21 in the part of one sequence.  Even that should last 2 seconds at recorded rate.  There were many successive images that were so slightly different that I deleted many in 2 stages, before I was thinking of this idea.  (So I don't have such excessive duplication and filling the hard drive) I do rough editing in camera raw, and unfortunately when they are deleted here they seem to disappear from the universe as they aren't in the recycle bin.  When I went through a second time to weed out more, I did in in Bridge and those that were deleted went to the recycle bin and were retrieved. 

                                   

                                  Actually I see that I didn't lose that much. One sequence was 10 seconds and had 24 images, and the other was 15 seconds and had 44 images.  So I must have been shooting in bursts each time rather than holding the shutter button continually, of there would be lots more images.  It still seems that it might be possible some way to get something like the reality.