7 Replies Latest reply on Mar 6, 2013 12:45 PM by PierreLouisBeranek

    CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!

    PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

      I LOVE being able to zoom in/out of a Microsoft Word document (or resize icons in any Windows 7 folder) on the fly by holding the CTRL key while turning my mouse's scroll wheel up or down (CTRL-up zooms in, CTRL-down, zooms out).  This is lightning fast, intuitive and fun! 

       

      QUESTION: Where's the clever zooming in Premiere Pro's Project window for increasing/decreasing thumbnails? 

      ANSWER: There isn't any!

       

      The zoom toggle at the bottom of the Project window, although functional, isn't quick nor fun to use.  It requires the user to carefully move the cursor to a tiny UI icon: an irritating, laborious and inefficient method, compared with the ease and speed of resizing using a keyboard-mouse combo shortcut as Word and Windows so intelligently allow.  By allowing users to resize thumbnails in list view using my proposed method, users could even skip the tedious step of having to turn thumbnails on in the wing menu!  To turn thumbnails on, CTRL-mouse wheel up to zoom in at which point the thumbnails would automatically appear.  To turn the thumbnails off, simply do the opposite, CTRL-mouse wheel down.  This would work the same way that Windows allows it's users to not only resize file thumbnails, but also easily scroll through different folder view option with CTRL-mouse wheel.  Simple. Intuitive. Brilliant. and yes, even Fun!  Another big benefit of my proposed method is that contrary to the current zoom bar, using a keyboard/mouse shortcut could allow users to zoom 'around' the current cursor position (just as what happens when ALT-mouse wheeling in the Timeline).  In other words, if the cursor is over a clip near the bottom of the Project window, increasing the size of the thumbnails would always keeps the clips closest to cursor in view, instead of pushing the desired clip(s) down out of view as the zoom bar would do.

       

      Adobe, please add CTRL-mouse wheel zooming to the Project window!  And while you're at it, why not add this kind of zooming to the Effect Controls Window, Source and Program monitors as well?  Keyboard/mouse shortcuts are always much more efficient than having to meticulously mouse over tiny UI elements, so please do us a favor and add this functionally asap!

       

      I was thrilled when you finally added in CS6 the ability to control the Timeline Mouse Scrolling behavior, which I, and surely many others, requested in the CS5 beta program.  Now lets take this one step further with intelligent, program-wide zooming!  "That's one small step for Adobe, a giant leap for editors"   Okay, maybe not just one small step for Adobe, but the point is the return on investment in this feature would be great since it is something that could help every single PP editor out there.

       

       

      If you have any thoughts on other parts of Premiere that could benefit from having better methods for zooming, please share!

      QUESTION: Should the shortcut be CHRL + mouse wheel to keep the combo consistent to the behavior Windows and Word users are already used to, or should it be ALT + mouse wheel, to keep the zooming combo consistent with the one Premiere currently uses in the Timeline?


      (By the way, I will be sending a formal Feature Request to Adobe.)


      Kevin Monahan, if this isn't already on Adobe's radar, it would be great if you could advocate adding this feature for us!  Hopefully I've expressed the benefits clearly enough that putting this on their To Do list is a no brainer.

        • 1. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          I was thrilled when you finally added in CS6 the ability to control the Timeline Mouse Scrolling behavior, which I, and surely many others, requested in the CS5 beta program.

           

          So you're the one who did that?! 

           

          I actually hate the new combination zoom/scroll bar.  It saves no space in the UI, but it does vanquish us to a maddeningly slow scroll.  Because of the zooming behavior, we can no longer hold the mouse over the scroll bar to speed up the scroll.

           

          (By the way, Alt+Scroll has always zoomed the timeline.  There was no need to combine zoom and scroll into a single bar.)

          • 2. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
            PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

            Jim, after receiving several replies from you of dubious quality, why am I not surprised at yet another speedy reply that has little to no bearing with my post?  Where do I mention a combined zoom/scroll bar in my post? (which I love by the way and commend Adobe for restructuring it the way it currently is)  Please re-read my post and you'll see your comments have nothing to do with what I actually posted.

             

            When I first made your online acquaintance, I was impressed at your number of posts, over 25 thousand.  But having seen several irrelevant/off topic replies like this from you, I'm compelled to state that it isn't just the number of posts that counts, but also the quality of their content.  I don't mean this in any mean spirit.  Just that I would rather spend my time reading and replying to relevant replies that are actually based on the ideas I post (ideas that take time and effort to express, and I would hope others actually read properly before responding).

             

            To all other readers, I'd love to know what you think regarding my last question:

            Should the shortcut be CHRL + mouse wheel (to keep the combo consistent to the behavior Windows and Word users are already used to) or should it be ALT + mouse wheel? (to keep the zooming combo consistent with the one Premiere currently uses in the Timeline)

             

            Thank you for reading and for your insightful input!

            • 3. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
              Jim_Simon Level 8

              you'll see your comments have nothing to do with what I actually posted.

               

              I know that.  I'm just ranting.  We all have things that bug us and your post reminded me of one of mine.

              • 4. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                 

                QUESTION: Where's the clever zooming in Premiere Pro's Project window for increasing/decreasing thumbnails? 

                ANSWER: There isn't any!

                 

                Have you tried Shift + [ or Shift + ]?

                All other requests, you know what to do: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                • 5. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
                  PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                  Hi Kevin,

                   

                  Thanks for the tip.  I wasn't aware of those shortcuts.  The CTRL+mouse wheel zooming I suggest would still be a much better option in my opinion for the following reasons:

                   

                  1. Much more 'discoverable' since it follows the same convention used by Windows and Word.
                  2. It would provide smooth zooming up and down in List View vs the 3 zoom steps provided by the keyboard shortcuts.
                  3. It could provide zooming around the current cursor position, thus allowing a user to zoom into a thumbnail near the bottom of the Project window instead of having the clip moved down out of view as is the case with the keyboard shortcuts and zoom bar.
                  4. It could be uses for zooming in the ECW and Program/Source monitors, keeping 1 common shortcut in different PP windows.
                  5. CTRL+mouse wheel is much easier to use than SHIFT+[ or ] because my suggested shortcut can easily be used without diverting one's view from the screen, whereas finding the [ or ] key does in most cases require a user to look at the keyboard to locate those hardly used keys.  Of course a user could remap those keys to ones that are easier to find without looking, but the CTRL key and the mouse wheel are still two of the easiest shortcut activators that can be located without looking.
                  6. My method could forego the need to turn Thumbnails on/off in the wing menu, as I suggested, thus saving users yet another step.

                   

                  Given these advantages, hopefully Adobe can add my suggested zooming shortcut to the Project Window and other PP windows.

                   

                  Premiere Pro currently uses ALT+mouse wheel for zooming into the Timeline, and Photoshop/Illustrator both use the same shortcut for zooming in/out of an image.  Perhaps for the sake of Adobe-wide consistency, using the ALT key as the modifier would be preferable?  However, I would still prefer to see all Adobe programs use CTRL as the modifier, since it's what Windows users are already used to, and it's an easier key to locate blindly than the ALT key, due to its favorable location in the very corner of the keyboard.

                   

                  Any thoughts?  Thanks for sharing!

                  • 6. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
                    Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                    PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                     

                    Hi Kevin,

                     

                    Thanks for the tip.  I wasn't aware of those shortcuts.  The CTRL+mouse wheel zooming I suggest would still be a much better option in my opinion for the following reasons:

                     

                    1. Much more 'discoverable' since it follows the same convention used by Windows and Word.
                    2. It would provide smooth zooming up and down in List View vs the 3 zoom steps provided by the keyboard shortcuts.
                    3. It could provide zooming around the current cursor position, thus allowing a user to zoom into a thumbnail near the bottom of the Project window instead of having the clip moved down out of view as is the case with the keyboard shortcuts and zoom bar.
                    4. It could be uses for zooming in the ECW and Program/Source monitors, keeping 1 common shortcut in different PP windows.
                    5. CTRL+mouse wheel is much easier to use than SHIFT+[ or ] because my suggested shortcut can easily be used without diverting one's view from the screen, whereas finding the [ or ] key does in most cases require a user to look at the keyboard to locate those hardly used keys.  Of course a user could remap those keys to ones that are easier to find without looking, but the CTRL key and the mouse wheel are still two of the easiest shortcut activators that can be located without looking.
                    6. My method could forego the need to turn Thumbnails on/off in the wing menu, as I suggested, thus saving users yet another step.

                     

                    Given these advantages, hopefully Adobe can add my suggested zooming shortcut to the Project Window and other PP windows.

                     

                    Premiere Pro currently uses ALT+mouse wheel for zooming into the Timeline, and Photoshop/Illustrator both use the same shortcut for zooming in/out of an image.  Perhaps for the sake of Adobe-wide consistency, using the ALT key as the modifier would be preferable?  However, I would still prefer to see all Adobe programs use CTRL as the modifier, since it's what Windows users are already used to, and it's an easier key to locate blindly than the ALT key, due to its favorable location in the very corner of the keyboard.

                     

                    Any thoughts?  Thanks for sharing!

                     

                    My thoughts are to create feature requests for these things. Personally, I avoid using the mouse at all costs preferring keyboard shortcuts for everything I do. I only use the mouse when forced to. Everyone has a different way of working.

                    • 7. Re: CTRL-Scroll Wheel zooming in Project window!
                      PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                      Hi Kevin,

                       

                      I already sent my feature request yesterday. 

                       

                      I also like using the keyboard, but I'm not sure how useful the keyboard would be to zoom into a thumbnail in the Project Window to confirm it's the right clip, zoom out, and then drag that clip to the Timeline.  For that kind of workflow, CTRL+scroll wheel zooming would make a lot of sense and provide a big productivity boost, all in return for just a little programing effort on Adobe's part (programing a shortcut should be simple after all since it is hardly creating a new interface or new tool). 

                       

                      Fingers crossed that Adobe finally starts respecting shortcut conventions between it's various programs (something I would currently give Adobe the lowest possible grade of F-.  Just take a look at the fact that you can SHIFT or CTRL select items in the Project window as expected (i.e. as per Windows conventions), yet you can't do the same in the Timeline (CTRL selecting doesn't work, and SHIFT selecting works the way CTRL selecting should), nor the ECW (SHIFT selecting doesn't work).  These inexplicable deviancies from world-wide accepted software conventions only work against Adobe.  So here's hoping they finally stop messing around and finally get these most basic of things right.

                       

                      Kevin, if you could advocate software consistency for us, that would be great!  The huge inconsistencies between Adobe programs and even within programs themselves (i.e. Premiere's ALT-scroll wheel zooming in the Timeline but nowhere else?!) are some of the biggest problems with the companies software at the moment, IMO.  By the way, it's a good day in software-land when the biggest problems are non-critical issues such as these vs. stability!  Adobe definitely deserves an A+ on the stability front since every new version of Premiere seems to be more stable than the previous, with CS6 crashing less often in a year of use than CS4 did in a week!

                       

                      Cheers