13 Replies Latest reply on Mar 6, 2013 8:06 AM by the_wine_snob

    SmartSound

    whsprague Level 4

      I'm on 11 and started with 9.  I tried SmartSound with 9 and gave up.

       

      I tried it again, it installed OK.  It was a little confusing as each attempt to try a track lead to strong advertising.  But, I got past that.  I can make it work with the few free tracks in PrE. 

       

      The question is how to get tracks for less than $35!  Is there a secret?

       

      Thanks.

       

      Bill

        • 1. Re: SmartSound
          the_wine_snob Level 9

          Bill,

           

          I have not explored the entire portfolio from SmartSound, in some time, but they had maybe four sets of lower-quality (but still quite good) 22KHz music bundled for "home movies." You might want to poke around these offerings: http://www.smartsound.com/royalty-free-music/library/Home+Movies

           

          Unlike the Multi-Track releases, there is less customization, and also fewer variations to the music in those bundles. Going way back, I added all of those during a "sale," to augment the included tracks. Those got me by for about a year, until I began using Pinnacle Studio 6, or so, and doing more work. Then, I began watching for e-mails on sales, and purchased many of those Libraries. Now, I have about 75-80% of their entire line up, at least the types of music that I use most often. When one registers with SmartSound, with a valid e-mail account, they will get info on various sales, and some of those are great. Unfortunately, I already own most of the music, so they entice me less often, than they once did.

           

          Good luck,

           

          Hunt

          • 2. Re: SmartSound
            the_wine_snob Level 9

            Also, with just the signing up: http://www.smartsound.com/royalty-free-music/free.html one has access to free music, as it is released. Over the years, there have not been many titles offered, that I have seen, but hey, free is free.

             

            Good luck,

             

            Hunt

            • 3. Re: SmartSound
              whsprague Level 4

              Bill Hunt wrote:

               

              Also, with just the signing up: http://www.smartsound.com/royalty-free-music/free.html one has access to free music, as it is released. Over the years, there have not been many titles offered, that I have seen, but hey, free is free.

               

              Good luck,

               

              Hunt

              Those are the titles that are already included in PrE11.

               

              Thanks for the help.  Unless there are some significant "sales" Smartsound will remain aimed at the people who generate income from their video work.  The home movie selection lists hollywood movie and TV theme songs. 

               

              Another odd part, is that screens pop up saying I'm in a "trial" period.  The "Use SmartSound" button in PrE11 does not load anything that says it is "SmartSound".  Instead it launches "Sonic Fire Pro 5"

               

              So, if I did buy some tracks, I think they will be useless if I don't spend $99 for a license.  I will wait and see what happens when the "trial" expires.

               

              Bill

              • 4. Re: SmartSound
                whsprague Level 4

                When I watch Steve's class at Lynda, he demos something called "SmartSound Express Track" with "Sonic Pro 5" in the background.  Mine is not behaving that way.  In Steve's class he says that you don't have to buy Sonic Pro 5 because you can use Express Track.

                 

                Very confusing!

                • 5. Re: SmartSound
                  Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                  Yes, you do get SmartSound Express Tracks with version 11. You also get, as I say in the class, a limited use copy of SonicFire Pro. Which you don't need to use Express Tracks -- although you do need to install it along with Express Tracks.

                   

                  Express Tracks includes 10 music packs, which you can see if you check the Owned By Me box and uncheck the others.

                  • 6. Re: SmartSound
                    the_wine_snob Level 9

                    Sonicfire Pro (there are two editions) IS the SmartSound module.

                     

                    For a little history, there was once QuickTracks, which was a plug-in from SmartSound, for several different NLE's, plus there was Sonicfire Pro, which was a stand-alone program, that was like Express Tracks with many enhancements. QuickTracks was free, and was also included with many NLE's.

                     

                    Then, SmartSound introduced a new Sonicfire Pro, and there were two versions of that initially, Sonicfire Pro Express Tracks (free), and Sonicfire Pro Scoring Edition, (~ US$100) with greater power, but only with the Multi-Track titles. For a moment in time, the older QuickTracks could not work, at all, with the newest Multi-Track music. Then, SmartSound replaced the SmartSound QuickTracks (still available for older NLE's), with a Sonicfire Pro Express Tracks, as a plug-in, for both versions of Premiere and After Effects.

                     

                    Most recently, they reworked Sonicfire Pro Scorting Edition, to work as a plug-in with Premiere Pro and After Effects, but I do not think that that particular program (the plug-in version), will work with PrE - one might still have to used as a stand-alone program.

                     

                    What is now included in PrE is Sonicfire Pro Express Tracks, the plug-in.

                     

                    Now, if one is using Sonicfire Pro Express Tracks, all SmartSound music can be used, from the 22KHz (Home Moive titles), through 44.1KHz, and into the 48KHz Multi-Track titles. The same is true for Sonicfire Pro Scoring Edition, with one major exception - when used with the Multi-Track titles, there is an amazing amount of control, that one has with the music. Where normally there are 2 - 8 variations, depending on the exact music disc, with the Multi-Track titles, in the Scoring Edition, the variations are almost limitless.

                     

                    Good luck,

                     

                    Hunt

                    • 7. Re: SmartSound
                      the_wine_snob Level 9

                      Steve,

                       

                      Are you saying that QuickTracks is still active, and included with PrE? It was my understanding that it had been replaced by Sonicfire Pro Express Tracks, and the old QuickTracks was only a legacy plug-in for older NLE's. Maybe I misunderstood the Customer Support folk at SmartSound?

                       

                      I need to explore my PrE 11 a bit more, as either my information is incorrect, or perhaps my understanding of it.

                       

                      Thank you,

                       

                      Hunt

                      • 8. Re: SmartSound
                        Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                        That's right, Bill. In version 11, Smartsound Quicktracks has become Smartsound Express Tracks.

                        • 9. Re: SmartSound
                          the_wine_snob Level 9

                          On my installation, "Edit in SmartSound" calls up Sonicfire Pro, just as I was told by SmartSound. Not sure what is wrong with my system, and my installation, as it is just as SmartSound Customer Support had advised.

                           

                          Thank you,

                           

                          Hunt

                          • 10. Re: SmartSound
                            whsprague Level 4

                            Hunt's installation sounds like mine. 

                             

                            At Steve's Lynda.com course the screen looks like this.  Sonic Fire is in the background and Express Tracks is on top.

                             

                            Lynda.com screen: 

                            Steve's Screen at Lynda 2.JPG

                             

                            The online instructions back up Steve's version.  There is a screen shot of Express Tracks here:  http://help.adobe.com/en_US/premiereelements/using/WS9488D20A-A1AC-42fb-B7E3-730C35D7EC96. html#WSC31EB9CE-2964-4ddd-BE5A-B612B0E2AF33

                             

                            On my computer Express Tracks never shows up.  Instead, it is "Sonicfire Pro 5 ET".  The music tracks are the same and the controls do the same as Steve teaches using the Express Tracks.

                             

                            My Sonic Fire screen looks like this:

                            My Screen.JPG

                             

                            If I select a track that is in the store a "Buy" button emerges:

                             

                            Buy Button.JPG

                             

                            Pressing the Buy button brings up this confusing screen:

                             

                            Buy Me.JPG

                             

                            Thinking it would get me to the track so I could check the price, I get a screen telling me to pay for Sonic Fire Pro.

                             

                            Sonic Fire Web Site.JPG

                             

                            At the beginning and end of the process this screen is displayed:

                             

                            My Warning.JPG

                             

                            It will be interesting to see what happens when my 20 day trial is over.  Perhaps Express Tracks will appear.  If not, it may be that SmartSound has changed the product marketing.  It may be that my download and installation this week was different than months ago when Steve did the Lynda.com course and Adobe wrote the instructions.

                             

                            There is no doubt that SmartSound and Sonic Pro would be convenient for someone making a living at video editing.  But, as a hobbyist, it is not appealing to me!

                             

                            Bill S

                            • 11. Re: SmartSound
                              Steve Grisetti Adobe Community Professional

                              Did you request and use the free serial number you were prompted for when you first launched SmartSound/SonicFire?

                               

                              You will then be prompted to update the program.

                               

                              And, as I said above, you need to uncheck all but Owned Titles in order to NOT see the buy options.

                               

                              Finally, note that SmartSound is continually updating this software. It does look a bit different than it did in October, when we shot the tutorials. The interface is now called SonicFire Pro 5 - ET (as in whs's illustrations above). But it works the same way as Express Track. Because it still is Express Track.

                              • 12. Re: SmartSound
                                whsprague Level 4

                                Steve Grisetti wrote:

                                 

                                Did you request and use the free serial number you were prompted for when you first launched SmartSound/SonicFire?

                                 

                                You will then be prompted to update the program.

                                 

                                And, as I said above, you need to uncheck all but Owned Titles in order to NOT see the buy options.

                                 

                                Finally, note that SmartSound is continually updating this software. It does look a bit different than it did in October, when we shot the tutorials. The interface is now called SonicFire Pro 5 - ET (as in whs's illustrations above). But it works the same way as Express Track. Because it still is Express Track.

                                Thank you Steve.

                                 

                                I didn't see a serial number.

                                 

                                Bill

                                • 13. Re: SmartSound
                                  the_wine_snob Level 9

                                  Steve,

                                   

                                  Thank you for that verification, as it matches what SmartSound Customer Service shared with me.

                                   

                                  Depending on where one has their SmartSound Music files located (the destination location, when installing music, from say a SmartSound disc), there can be three choices for music:

                                   

                                  All Music

                                  Music Owned by Me

                                  Music on Computer (basically "Owned by Me," but the location can matter, in the display of titles.*

                                   

                                  For the All Music, one is looking at everything on SmartSound (owned yet, or not), including everything owned. That can be useful, if one is looking for something particular, owned or not, and if it is not yet owned, then there are often several purchase options, such as buy the disc, or just that song.

                                   

                                  Hunt

                                   

                                  * In my case, with my laptop, which has PrE 11 installed, my SmartSound music is on an external HDD, Y:\. When I do not have that plugged in, I get a warning message, and the only music I see, with Owned by me, is the free music, that is installed with Sonicfire Pro/SmartSound. When Y:\ is connected, I see everything owned by me. I will probably Copy the PrE 11/Sonicfire Pro free music to Y:\, but leave it on the laptop, just for testing, if Y:\ is not connected.