9 Replies Latest reply: Mar 11, 2013 8:06 AM by winterm RSS

    Progress Bar Color

    winterm Community Member

      Hi there,

      my system is:

      Win7 Pro, v. 6.1 (build 7601, SP1), Adobe CS6

       

      I've changed the color of standard Windows Progress Bar from that ridiculous spring-green to dark blue.

      Photoshop for its progress bar obviously uses same (OS) resource:

      PsProgressBar.png

       

      but not the Illustrator:

      AiProgressBar.png

      well, I can live with this... at least orange on black looks pretty.

       

      sadly, in InDesign... it looks just ugly:

      IdProgressBar.png

       

      oh, English is not my native, maybe I miss some subtle meaning of words 'homogenity' and 'consistency'. Is this really 'Suite'? Could this mess be called 'Creative'?

      sorry, just emotions.

       

      My real question is:

      maybe someone here has an idea where InDesign resources for Progress Bar are hidden? Bitmap(s) in some dll file, I guess?

       

      Thank You!

        • 1. Re: Progress Bar Color
          Willi Adelberger MVP

          The licence does not permit you to screw in the code.

          BTW I think this is not a problem which makes life hard to to you.

          • 2. Re: Progress Bar Color
            winterm Community Member

            Willi Adelberger wrote:

            The licence does not permit you to screw in the code.

            well, probably I must confess – didn't read it thoroughly.

            if I buy a can of coke and add some my own ingredients before drinking – do you think I'm "screwing" their recipe and breaking licences? Maybe in your country. In my country – it's MY can. And if something will go wrong with my stomach after that mix, I won't call Cocacola. I'm on my own with it, and that's ok.

            In the last 20 years I called Adobe Support 0 times, and this counter won't change.

             

            Willi Adelberger wrote:

            BTW I think this is not a problem which makes life hard to to you.

            I'm a designer, and words 'color' and 'style' have some meaning to me and – yes – when someone forces me to look at ugly comps of it everyday – it do makes my life harder.

            or maybe you really believe it's all well done (see screenshots above)?

             

            Thank You for your answer. It's Adobe's answer, not the user's, though. I was not intended to call Adobe...

             

            Case closed, I suppose.

            Some day I'll find the time to find what I need to find, and do, what, I believe, must be done.

            On my Own Private Standalone Machine.

            Personal Computer.

             

            p.s.

            sorry, can't mark Your answer as 'Correct' just because of the second sentence

            • 3. Re: Progress Bar Color
              Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

              You analogy to a coan of coke is interesting, but not really accurate. When you buy a can of coke you are actually taking ownership of the commodity and you can give it away, sell it, destroy it or anything else you like, as long as you don't violate any other laws. When you purchase a license from Adobe you are buying a non-exclusive, non-transferable (without express permission), right to use the software, but Adobe retains the ownership to the code. As part of the license agreement you promised not to reverse engineer or alter the Adobe code. This does not mean you are prohibited from extending the program functionality if you wish to write a script or plugin.

               

              But all of that is probably irrelevant. I suspect the reason the progress bar won't change color is the same reason that the dark interface is not available -- the existing code simply doesn't support it. CS7 is supposed to change that, and perhaps it will fix your progress bars, too.

              • 4. Re: Progress Bar Color
                [Jongware] MVP

                Peter Spier wrote:

                 

                ... I suspect the reason the progress bar won't change color is the same reason that the dark interface is not available -- the existing code simply doesn't support it. CS7 is supposed to change that, and perhaps it will fix your progress bars, too.

                 

                Not ... entirely true, I'm afraid.

                Usually, Windows software uses Windows-drawn dialogs; and these are drawn with the interface colors as set in the "Window Color and Appearance" dialog. (Disregarding the non-custom non-standard Microsoft alterations on Windows 7-and-newer, of course.)

                 

                Adobe chose to program their own Graphic User Interface, from scratch, so they had more control over the tools and options provided, and they could offer the same functionality on both Windows and Mac platforms. Alas, my verdict on that is a solid "fail". The functionality is far from 'the same'; not all standard functions one is used to in a GUI are present; parts of InDesign use a *different* UI (the butt-ugly Flash interface for File Info, for example); and, on top of that, as the OP noticed the Creative Suite is a 'suite' in name only, as it seems there are already differences in this basic component ...

                 

                What's that fascination with a Dark UI, by the way? Sure, it is *possible* to make a Dark UI using the new Carbon programming base, but it sounds more and more as if *this* is the feature to aim for -- and the rest, 64-bit and all, is merely a happy coincidence. I suspect the next Hip Thing will be a Neon Green interface.

                 

                I'm not too excited about my Dark UI in Windows 7:

                darkui.PNG

                 

                .. but maybe I should await CS7. After all, this is not a "64-bit version", so a Dark UI wouldn't work anyway.

                • 5. Re: Progress Bar Color
                  Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                  So, are you saying it's not true because Adobe COULD HAVE used the OS dialogs, or because, even though they made their own GUI they just chose not to allow it?

                  • 6. Re: Progress Bar Color
                    Peter Spier ACP/MVPs

                    And for what it's worth I could care less about the dark interface, too.

                    • 7. Re: Progress Bar Color
                      [Jongware] MVP

                      Peter Spier wrote:

                       

                      So, are you saying it's not true because Adobe COULD HAVE used the OS dialogs, or because, even though they made their own GUI they just chose not to allow it?

                       

                      A mix, and possibly possibly both

                       

                      1. Illustrator and Photoshop have used "native" dialogs for years and years on end. With InDesign (I think), Adobe chose to implement their own GUI.

                       

                      2. As a programmer, you don't have to 'replace' the entire native GUI. You can use standard components (which will adhere to user settings) and add as much custom components as you like. With a custom component, the amount of user settings support depends on how much time you put into writing it -- i.e., either always draw your own layer menu background, or first ask the system what color it should be. Adobe chose to create one from scratch ...

                       

                      3. ... so even familiar interface components such as a dropdown list behave subtly different from what one is used to. And even different in parts of the same program (to wit, aforementioned Flash components inside InDesign).

                       

                      4. And, contrary to what one would think, then there are differences in this custom UI among the suite programs!

                       

                      I'm behind ID CS4 on Windows 7 at the moment so I can't vouch the same holds for CS6 (Latest Update) on a Mac (Latest System Update) -- but a few of my personal interface related gripes are:

                       

                      * inconsistent behavior of the Tab key inside dialogs (and it's even *worse* on a Mac, despite having set the appropriate system setting to allow tabbing around inside dialogs)

                       

                      * the Alt key makes the Menu bar sticky to all keys, and only frantic and repeatedly hitting Escape will release it from its vice-like hold.

                       

                      * the behavior of the Find/Change 'dialog' is totally inconsistent and irrational. Sometimes it goes into a sort of 'undefined mode', and no key press has any effect at all until I use the mouse to click it out of this mode.

                       

                      * at times, the Pages panel scroll bar refuses to update; it tells me 'nothing to see down there' but I'm sure it ought to show several hundreds of pages more ... (after some shaking the panel around, and moving about in the document it usually submits).

                       

                      And for what it's worth I could care less about the dark interface, too.

                       

                      My guess this is a deliberate macguffin.

                      • 8. Re: Progress Bar Color
                        winterm Community Member

                        Thank You for Your well-balanced comment, Peter.

                        Yes, agreed, analogy is not accurate. Maybe car modding fits better here? Do modders break "licence"? Where exactly "extending functionality" ends and "changing" begins?

                        Whatever, that's not what I'm worried about right here and now.

                        Existing "functionality" in this case is done extremely poorly (screenshots!) so I feel I'm forced to fix it just on MY OWN machine. If (while) Adobe is not able to do it for all of us.

                         

                        Ask Microsoft how to change bright white Windows Explorer background in win7, while retaining aero, and they'll answer you "it's not possible by design". What design?! This useful feature was here in GUI for ages... Now it's hard-coded, and I must directly edit protected system file to get back my eyes-friendly gray background I use since the days of Win95. Do I like it? Nope. But I "hacked" that damned dll, because I want to save my poor eyes from burning out when switching from Photoshop with it's black interface to Explorer. Huh, both non-changeable, we are told so...

                        They remove useful features and then say I'm breaking licence trying to get them back. Hrrr....

                        • 9. Re: Progress Bar Color
                          winterm Community Member

                          [Jongware] wrote:

                          I suspect the next Hip Thing will be a Neon Green interface.

                           

                           

                           

                          Hope I'll be dead just a day before it...