35 Replies Latest reply: Mar 20, 2013 11:57 AM by Kevin-Monahan RSS

    Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?

    Lady Kathleen Community Member

      I'm coming over from Final Cut Pro, which I've used for years to make how-to videos. In these videos I draw a lot of circles around things and reveal them with a clock wipe (which makes it look like I'm drawing them), and I also make arrows (with an arrow generator from Stibs) that I reveal with an edge wipe, which makes the arrows look like they're extending out to point at something. And so forth.

       

      I'm just getting my first taste of Premiere, but I don't see any arrow generator, nor most of the transitions I'm used to. In fact, compared to FCP there seems to be a great lack of transitions in general for Premiere. Is there any way to add shape and arrow generators and more transitions to Premiere?

       

      I'd really like to use Premiere, which looks like a great video editor, but if it doesn't  have the tools I need I guess I'll have to go over to Final Cut Pro X, which I'd really hate to do. Premiere is a lot like FCP in many respects, so it seems familiar, and I can carry the skills over, and besides, after Apple yanked the rug out from under me by orphaning Final Cut 7, I really don't want to stay with them if I can help it. I don't trust them anymore.

        • 1. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
          medeamajic Community Member

          The PC version has more transitions and filters than the Mac version. Having said that I would like to see Premiere Pro 7.0 get a few new transitions with a few key frame able parameters and CUDA support.

          • 2. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
            joe bloe premiere Community Member

            Transitions - pc vs. mac.

            Premiere-CS5-Video-Transitions-Win-Mac-51-missing.jpg

            • 3. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
              BingoFriday Community Member

              I'm probably not suggesting something you've already thought of but here goes anyway. You can make an arrow in the title tool, with shapes or the pen tool. I know it's not exactly what you're asking for but there you go.

              • 4. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                the_wine_snob Community Member

                One option would be to use Transitions from a 3rd party supplier, like Pixelan. Unfortunately, at this time, Pixelan does not have any Mac Transitions, but there are probably several suppliers, who do. As I am a PC-only guy, I just do not know who is doing 3rd party Transitions for the Mac, but there are bound to be some.

                 

                Good luck,

                 

                Hunt

                • 5. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                  Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                  There are lots of clip art arrows out there, and they can be brought into Photoshop (or Illustrator) to be manipulated, or maybe just traced. Then just save the PSD or Ai files of every type of arrow you normally use.

                   

                  If you want to get really fancy, use After Effects to create, animate or manipulate your arrows.

                   

                  If you want to post some pictures of your favorite arrows, it might be fun to see what some of us could do with them.

                   

                  In any case, while the Mac may not have enough transitions, you may not actually "need" a transition to accomplish your goal.

                   

                  Edit: Found this - http://www.monologue.gr/tutorials/an-animated-arrow-tutorial-to-rule-them-all/

                  • 6. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                    Lady Kathleen Community Member

                    Thanks everybody for the suggestions. Apparently there just isn't any arrow generator in Premiere like I have in FCP 5--and FCP5 dates from 2005. I had thought that by now, eight years later, there would be arrow generators for all video editing programs, but I guess I was wrong.

                     

                    The Stibs arrow generator in FCP 5 is a free plug-in that creates a basic arrow on your video, which you then modify any in way you please, using a complete set of controls. Each end of the arrow can be dragged around with the mouse cursor, so that you can stretch or shrink the arrow to any length you want and position it anywhere. Then there are sliders to change the thickness of the shaft and the size of the head and tail, plus a choice of different head or tail types. With a generator like that, you can quickly make any size or length or style of arrow that you want in just a few seconds. Then if you put an edge wipe on the front end of the arrow clip, the arrow seems to appear and stretch out to whatever you're pointing it at. Very simple, quick, and easy.

                     

                    I've searched the web now to see if there is any such arrow generator for Premiere, either for free or for sale, and I can't find anything. Yes, there are tricks and tips for creating arrows out of clip art, or from fragments of text cobbled together, but such methods are slow and clumsy compared to what I had.

                     

                    I haven't used After Effects, so I don't know what it's capable of, but surely it can't be as simple and elegant as that Stibs arrow generator. I guess I'm just doomed to disappointment on this.

                     

                    Arrows are so necessary for the how-to videos that I make, however, that I may have to keep using my old Mac G5 with FCP 5 for a while yet, since I'm unable to duplicate what it does on my new Mac Pro with CS6 installed on it. That Mac Pro with Premiere Pro in it sits there on the desk like a powerful, sexy new sports car that I don't have any key for, so I can only look at it, not drive it. Meanwhile the old Model T G5 with FCP from 2005 just chugs along and gets me where I need to go, but slo-o-o-o-wly. I literally waste hours waiting for things to render. Frustrating!

                    • 8. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                      Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                      Joe,

                       

                      Not bad. I once had a project where I used a font for arrows and completely forgot about that. I'll have to bookmark those sites.

                       

                      Lady Kathleen - if you are having problems with your new computer, perhaps what you need, to stay with your metaphor, are new driving gloves. Or, at worst, driving lessons from the computer equivalent of Danica Patrick.

                       

                      We see a lot of FCP users asking for FCP features. It's normal to want what you used to have. I get it. Apple left you folks behind. You have been betrayed. But those of us who have always been Adobe Premiere, and then Adobe Premiere Pro users have been faithfully putting in our bug reports and feature requests for many years. Personally, as you can see from the date I joined this forum, I have been doing this for over a decade.

                       

                      We welcome all new users, but there are times when FCP users complain that we use workarounds to get where we are going. Well, yes, perhaps. But more likely, in many cases, we are just used to doing it a certain way because, well, just because that is the way we have always done it.

                       

                      Stick with it. Learn Premiere Pro. Get into After Effects a little, at least enough to be able to download a template and modify it for your own use. We will help when we can. The majority of us are PC users so there is a limit to our Mac knowledge.

                       

                      Give the fonts listed above a try. Perhaps they will solve your immediate problem.

                      • 9. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                        BingoFriday Community Member

                        On Windows I can type  Alt + 24 = ↑; Alt + 25 = ↓; Alt + 26 = →; Alt + 27 = ←

                         

                        Can't do that on a Mac though. Oh well. Not for nuthin' I would rather make my own arrows than suffer the render times on FCP (alt +1)

                         

                        best wishes,

                        • 10. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                          medeamajic Community Member

                          You can make an arrow real quick (20 seconds) with the titling tool. I do it all the the time.

                          • 11. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                            Lady Kathleen Community Member

                            Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'll learn and use Premiere, all right, but right now it just can't do things for my video tutorials, like generate arrows and circles and reveal them with transitions, things I can do easily in Final Cut 5, not to mention the general dearth of transitions in Premiere. I would probably stick with FCP 5 were it not for the insufferably long render times on my slow, antique G5 computer.

                             

                            As to "wanting FCP features in Premiere", well, that elegant Stibs arrow generator I described was not an FCP feature--it was a free plug-in created by somebody named Stibs for FCP. Premiere accepts plug-ins too, I notice, so where are you now, Stibs, when I need you? Where is anybody who can give me such an arrow generator? I'll buy it!

                             

                            I see that generators for arrows, boxes, emphasizers, and all sorts of stuff is available for Final Cut Pro X, for instance from rippletraining.com in a plug-in called "Callouts." Their ad says: "Callouts is a Final Cut Prto X plug-in that puts the power of emphasis into your hands--add arrows, shapes, magnifiers, animated map trajectories, speech and thought bubbles, checklists, and more to your video project."

                             

                            So, where is such a thing for Premiere? I took a look at the FCP X interface, and it appears awkward and complex compared to FCP and Premiere (clips are called "Events" among other nutty things). I can understand and operate Premiere after years of using FCP, but I would have to learn a whole new vocabulary and interface to use FCP X, not to mention spending $300.00 to buy the program.

                             

                            What I have seen so far of Premiere looks great. For example, another thing that I do often in tutorial videos is zoom and pan around on still images--the "Ken Burns" thing. In FCP 5, the pan-zoom motion is jerky, with sudden starts and stops, and it's impossible to smooth them out. But I see that in Premiere there are ways to move around smoothly and gently on stills, and to make gradual changes in the speed of clips. Wonderful! But I'm still hamstrung in Premiere by inadequate graphics tools for instructional videos, drat it.

                            • 12. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                              Peru Bob CommunityMVP

                              See this video and watch at about 2:47 for the arrow:

                              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2meyRQBwT8&hd=1

                              Does this do what you want?

                              http://www.noiseindustries.com/fxfactory/

                              • 13. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                Lady Kathleen,

                                 

                                Do you happen to have a short clip or two or three of what you are looking for?

                                • 14. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                  Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                  Thanks Bob! I watched the video, and the arrow you mentioned is similar to what I make, though the one shown is bent and all mine are straight. Those plug-ins look like good ones, but it's still hard to tell if they're exactly what I'm looking for. Let me see if I can export a short clip of a movie I'm making that will show you what I'm trying to do.

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                                    Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                    Great idea Steven, thanks. I've exported from FCP 5 a 26-second, 13 MB snippet of a how-to video that I'm working on right now. It shows how I use circles and arrows to point out things. But how can I show it to you? Can I e-mail or upload it somewhere?

                                    • 16. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                      shooternz Community Member

                                      Can I e-mail or upload it somewhere?

                                       

                                      Of course you can silly

                                       

                                      YouTube / Vimeo. 

                                      • 17. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                        Steven L. Gotz Community Member

                                        Just mark the YouTube video as "Unlisted" so that your YouTube followers will not see it. Only people with the link will be able to see it.

                                        • 18. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                          Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                          I  should have mentioned that the last time I tried to upload anything to YouTube I worked all day at it and finally gave up. I live out in the country, and there is something about the phone service out here that slows the upload until it stalls. I finally drove to the city, to the office of my ISP, with my videos on a laptop, and they uploaded them for me. However, those were videos ten to twenty minutes long. Maybe this little 26-second clip will go. I'll give it a try.

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                                            Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                            The upload went fine! Here is the link: <http://youtu.be/t5cM-vVWyQo>

                                            • 20. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                              shooternz Community Member

                                              Looks good.

                                               

                                              Those a pretty basic arrows and boxes etc so I woud just make them inthePremiere Titler.

                                               

                                              IIRC..., FCP never had much facilty to create Titles and you may find that Premiere Titler will surprise you.

                                              • 21. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                                I took at look at the Titler and it is indeed very nice, miles ahead of the text generator in Final Cut. However, even if I managed to make arrows, circles, ovals, squares, and other shapes in the titler, I wouldn't be able to animate them with transitions the way I can in Final Cut, because those transitions don't exist in Premiere.

                                                 

                                                The arrows you see in my demo clip that appear to extend out to what they point at, do so because they have an edge wipe at the front end of the arrow clip. The circles and ovals that appear to draw themselves in my demo do that because they have a clock wipe on their front ends. Premiere has neither an edge wipe nor a clock wipe. In fact, it has pitifully few transitions of any kind compared to Final Cut, which has tons of them, so many in fact that I once made a sequence that was nothing but transitions between clips, with their names, so that I could see what they all look like, and that sequence runs for several minutes, with transition after transition after transition.

                                                 

                                                I'll have to look into After Effects to see what can be done there about animating shapes like arrows and circles, but it seems overly time consuming to have to go into another program to do what I can do in seconds in Final Cut by just dropping a transition onto a clip in the timeline.

                                                 

                                                I am playing around with Premiere on my new Mac Pro, but I was hampered in trying to do motion effects without the wireframe view of a clip that I'm used to. The keyframes I make in Premiere's clips are not visible in the timeline, where I'm used to dragging them around to change the timing in Final Cut. I also wanted to make the clips in the Premiere timeline larger, which can be done with the click of an icon in Final Cut (four sizes available), but if there is such a simple way to do that in Premiere I haven't yet found it. Probably I'll find all these controls eventually, but at the moment, Final Cut still seems simpler to use. I'm watching the tutorials on Lynda.com about Premiere, but they say very little about motion. I guess I'll have to buy a book on learning Premiere. Know of any good ones?

                                                • 22. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                  Ann Bens CommunityMVP

                                                  That is the drawback of having Premiere on a Mac.

                                                  It has far less transitions then Premiere on Windows.

                                                  Including clock wipe and several wipes.

                                                  http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform

                                                  • 23. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                    medeamajic Community Member

                                                    There is no need for you to keep using a Mac. You need to get a PC if you like Premiere Pro. The PC version of Premiere Pro can do so much more than FCP 7 or FCP 10.

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                                                      Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                                      Yes, it does look like Adobe is more focused the PC side. Since I have a Mac Pro, I may end up having to learn Final Cut Pro X to get the editing capability I had with FCP 5 (2005) on an eight year old Mac G5. There seem to be a lot of third-party add-ons and plug-ins for FCP X that do the kinds of things I'm used to doing in FCP 5. Larry Jordan says on his blog that FCP-X is as capable as FCP 7, and getting better all the time as Apple adds improvements, but if I have to go that route I'm not looking forward to learning an entirely different type of video editor.

                                                      • 25. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                        BingoFriday Community Member

                                                        The day Apple gets FCP X just the way everyone wants it is the day they will trash it and start over from scratch again. This is their pattern.

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                                                          shooternz Community Member

                                                          Kathleen

                                                           

                                                          Is there a Linear Wipe on  Mac Premiere?

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                                                            medeamajic Community Member

                                                            FCP X does not have a good titling tool like Premiere Pro. Premiere Pro on the PC would blow away FCP 7 and 10. You can get a good PC for video editing for $950.00. A GT 640 would work but at GTX 650 Ti would be even better. You need to give up on the Mac if you want to use Premiere Pro to it's fullest potential. You can adjust track height and length very easy in Premiere Pro. You need to spend more time with Premiere Pro before giving up.

                                                            • 28. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                              Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                                              On the Mac, Premiere has four wipes (to FCP's fourteen). One of Premiere's four is just simply called "wipe." I took a look at it, and it is a linear wipe, though without the precise controls of FCP's edge wipe. It could possibly serve as an edge wipe to reveal arrows. If there were a video generator in Premiere to make arrows with.

                                                               

                                                              But there is still no clock wipe in the Mac version, and without a clock wipe I can't "draw" circles around things as you see in my FCP sample clip.

                                                              • 29. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                                Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                                                Yes, I am playing around with Premiere Pro a little bit every day on my Mac Pro, but I'm still doing my video editing in FCP 5 on my 2005 Mac PPC.

                                                                 

                                                                I haven't yet figured out how to change track height in Premiere. There are four icons for track size in FCP, and a click on any of them instantly changes track size, so that's what I'm used to. Haven't yet found such a control in Premiere, but then I haven't watched all of the Lynda.com videos about Premiere either, and I don't yet have any tutorial book or manual.

                                                                 

                                                                Haven't given up on Premiere, but it doesn't seem as capable as FCP with Motion, LiveType, Soundtrack, and Compressor. I can bounce in and out of those other progams quickly from FCP and bring in all sorts of special effects. Not sure yet whether After Effects can substitute for LiveType and Motion. There doesn't seem to be any Adobe substitute for Soundtrack with all its music clips, sound effects, and background ambiance audio.

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                                                                  shooternz Community Member

                                                                  PC  Premiere has a specif ic wipe named Linear Wipe and it can be feathered, rotated etc.

                                                                   

                                                                  Seems like that is not on Mac Premiere.  Pity because its very handy and versatile.

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                                                                    Taverino Community Member

                                                                    Lady Kathleen,

                                                                     

                                                                    Before making any decision about whether or not to give up on Premiere Pro, keep one thing in mind: the next major release of Premiere Pro will be the first one since Apple announced FCP X and presented Adobe with an unprecedented opportunity to grab a bigger share of the NLE market. If I'm Adobe, over the past year I will have been studying very carefully what I need to do to make PPro as attractive as possible to people like you. I have to believe a substantial number of enhancements in the next release of PPro will be designed to convert over as many FCP users as possible. Oh, and guess what? The NAB show is in a few weeks. I'd wait till then before making any decisions, one way or another.  

                                                                    • 32. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                                      medeamajic Community Member

                                                                      The problem is not Premiere Pro Lady Kathleen. The problem is the paradigm that you are holding onto ( Mac Pro + FCP) . Your eight year old Mac Pro could not touch my PC system.  FCP 7 could not keep up with Premiere Pro 4.0 let alone Premiere Pro 6.0.  I have a clock wipe on the PC side not to mention I can create arrows as well as many more complex graphics with Premiere Pro that you could not creat in FCP 7.  I can create titles and track mattes real easy in PP but I highly doubt I could do that using FCP.  There should be no need to use an arrow generator at all. FCP needed it because there was no titling system for FCP 7. FCP kind of sucked in that area. If you opt to use Premiere get a PC rather than insisting that FCP 7 is more capable than PP CS 6.0 becuase it is not. PP CS 6.0  matched with a $700.00 Windows 7 PC would smoke your Mac Pro and FCP 7. $700.00 is not that much money to spend if it will let you do what you want to do much better and faster. Are you editing video for fun or as a full time career?

                                                                       

                                                                      [remarks of a personal or sarcastic nature have been removed]

                                                                      • 33. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                                        Lady Kathleen Community Member

                                                                        That's a good thought, Taverino--thanks. Thanks again to everyone who has replied with help. I appreciate it. By the time I get the hang of Premiere, or after its next round of enhancements, it may have the features I'm after. Just a decent number of video transitions would be a great improvemet.

                                                                         

                                                                        Anytime I can't figure something out in the computer world, the old adage about following the money usually serves to explain things. There aren't nearly as many Macs as there are PCs, hence, Adobe gives the goodies (many extra transitions for example) to the PC version, where there are more people to buy it. (Assuming that all those extra transitions are from Adobe, and not third-party plug-ins).

                                                                         

                                                                        Similarly, I suspect, there aren't nearly as many professional video companies making TV shows and movies as there are young men wanting to make snowboard and skateboard videos (for their friends with mobile devices), hence, Apple scraps its professional editing system, abandoning its longtime pro base, and substitutes for it an entirely new program aimed at the larger amateur market.

                                                                         

                                                                        I seem to remember that Apple did the same thing with iMovie, which, just when it began to get enough controls to become a fairly capable video editing program, was scrapped and replaced by a completely different version in which everything was "simplified" and "automatic." In other words, iMovie was getting just a bit too complex for the average Apple user, the birthday party and vacation video makers, so it was revamped to appeal to the bigger market.

                                                                         

                                                                        On Lynda.com there is a video for people switching from Final Cut to Premiere, comparing the two programs. One good reason for making the switch, the narrator says, is that Apple never listened to its customers, while Adobe does. If so, I'm glad. Hey Adobe! Premeire needs a lot more transitions for Macs! And a Stibs-style arrow generator wouldn't be such a bad thing either!

                                                                        • 34. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                                          Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                          Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          That's a good thought, Taverino--thanks. Thanks again to everyone who has replied with help. I appreciate it. By the time I get the hang of Premiere, or after its next round of enhancements, it may have the features I'm after. Just a decent number of video transitions would be a great improvemet.

                                                                          There are lots of third party transitions, have you checked them out?

                                                                          Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          There aren't nearly as many Macs as there are PCs, hence, Adobe gives the goodies (many extra transitions for example) to the PC version, where there are more people to buy it. (Assuming that all those extra transitions are from Adobe, and not third-party plug-ins).

                                                                           

                                                                          There are more transitions on the PC version, but it's not true about giving PC users more effects because of financial incentive. It has more to do with how the 2 versions were developed.

                                                                          Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                           

                                                                          Hey Adobe! Premeire needs a lot more transitions for Macs! And a Stibs-style arrow generator wouldn't be such a bad thing either!

                                                                          Sure, make a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

                                                                           

                                                                          In the mean time, check out third party transitions. There are even some free ones out there, here's some:
                                                                          http://www.filmimpact.net/index.php/plugins/

                                                                          • 35. Re: Arrow generator and more transitions for Premiere?
                                                                            Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                                                            Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            I haven't yet figured out how to change track height in Premiere. There are four icons for track size in FCP, and a click on any of them instantly changes track size, so that's what I'm used to. Haven't yet found such a control in Premiere, but then I haven't watched all of the Lynda.com videos about Premiere either, and I don't yet have any tutorial book or manual.

                                                                             

                                                                            In the Keyboard Shortcuts dialog box you can make your own keyboard shortcuts for increasing or descreasing track height. You can also drag between track to enlarge them.

                                                                             

                                                                             

                                                                            Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            Haven't given up on Premiere, but it doesn't seem as capable as FCP with Motion, LiveType, Soundtrack, and Compressor. I can bounce in and out of those other progams quickly from FCP and bring in all sorts of special effects.

                                                                             

                                                                            It's just as capable as Final Cut Studio, if not more so. I can say this because I wrote a book on FCP and even worked inside Apple on 2 versions of Final Cut Studio. You just need more time in the pilot's seat.

                                                                            Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            Not sure yet whether After Effects can substitute for LiveType and Motion.

                                                                             

                                                                            It definitely is. Unless you're reliant upon the rather cheezy LiveFonts (and let's hope you aren't), you should be fine.

                                                                             

                                                                            Lady Kathleen wrote:

                                                                             

                                                                            There doesn't seem to be any Adobe substitute for Soundtrack with all its music clips, sound effects, and background ambiance audio.

                                                                            There is Adobe Audition. You can download Loopology, which are free libraries of music tracks, sound effects, etc. You can also bring in certain clips from your Soundtrack Pro library into Audition.