27 Replies Latest reply on Jul 18, 2016 10:53 PM by GrizzlyAK

    Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro

    bryanbrowne1 Level 1

      I have been making color adjustments to movie clips in Photoshop or Lightroom (both of which do a great job), but when I bring the clips into Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements the colors are not the same as what I was seing in the other programs. It is as if the programs are using different color profiles. How do I resolve this problem?

        • 1. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          You cannot use PP's built-in monitors to accurately judge quality.  You MUST get the signal out of PP, off the computer monitor and onto a properly calibrated TV.  Until you do, you simply cannot be sure you're seeing the signal accurately.

          • 2. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
            Taverino Level 2

            Are you exporting the clips from Lightroom and then importing them into Premiere Pro?

            • 4. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
              bryanbrowne1 Level 1

              Jim,

              What do I need to do then to make accurate color adjustments while working in Premiere Pro?

              Thank you,

              Bryan

              • 5. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                I did a test. After sampling the colors in Photoshop in a side by side comparison, the colors tested to be identical. I'm not sure what is different in your system, but I'm using a MacBook Pro and CS6 versions of all my software. I'm using Lightroom 4.

                 

                What I use for accurate color adjustment is the Three-Way Color Corrector or Fast Color Corrector effects while monitoring brightness and color with the Waveform Monitor and Vectorscope.

                • 6. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                  Fuzzy Barsik Level 4
                  when I bring the clips into Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements the colors are not the same as what I was seing in the other programs. It is as if the programs are using different color profiles.

                  To begin with, PrPro is not a colour-managed (colour aware) application. It works in sRGB colour space and doesn't recognise linear working space - take that into account while establishing your colour management workflow.

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                  • 7. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                    bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                    Fuzzy,

                    If you have the time to respond I would appreciate it. How exactly would I implement your suggestion? I have spent 3 hours and 45 minutes with Adobe technical support but gotten nowhere. Adobe must provide some means of setting things up so that video played in Photoshop looks the same as video played in Premiere Pro. One tech guy from Adobe said that there wasn't a way to achieve this and claimed that it was a program limitation. It is a little difficult to believe that a company like Adobe that makes products for artists who demand a high degree of control over the aesthetics of their work would not have adequately addressed this issue.

                    Thanks,

                    Bryan

                    • 8. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                      Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                      Premiere Pro does not do color management. If you do want to use color management, you can create a master out of Premiere Pro and then bring that through After Effects (which features color management) for the creation of multiple outputs for various output devices.

                       

                      http://help.adobe.com/en_US/aftereffects/cs/using/WS61A9D13D-919A-4010-A3A2-00477A81FDB0a. html

                       

                      bryanbrowne1 wrote:

                       

                      It is a little difficult to believe that a company like Adobe that makes products for artists who demand a high degree of control over the aesthetics of their work would not have adequately addressed this issue.

                      Thanks,

                      Bryan

                      There are a lot of different workflows, so that's why we recommend color management for most of our applications. If you would like to see color management within Premiere Pro, you can make a feature request: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish

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                      • 9. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                        Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                        Seems, this question was marked as correctly answered by magic...

                         

                        How does your colour mismatch issue look exactly (a screenshot may help)?

                        And what is the document working space (profile) in Ps now and what is the profile gamma?

                         

                        If you have reasons to do your Ps work in a colour space other than gamma corrected (normally 2.2 on a PC or 1.8 on a Mac) sRGB, you have several options to get proper look in PrPro. Check out this article on converting profiles in Photoshop. Another option is to import your profiled footages into After Effects, interpret them there and import into PrPro via Adobe Dynamic Link (keep in mind, you shouldn't linearise AE project working space unless you fully understand linear workflow; see this thread in AE Forum on colour management via Adobe Dynamic Link).

                         

                        If you need some more help, provide as detailed description as you can.

                        • 10. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                          bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                          Fuzzy,

                          I have spent quite a bit of time trying to determine the root of the problem here, and I think that yours is the first suggestion that makes sense - that the problem is related to a gamma shift or related action. I spent around 4 hours with Adobe technical support and they really don't know what they are doing and were of no help at all. The problem at this point is that I do not have much of the technical knowledge needed to follow the suggestions in the article that you directed me to (about converting profiles in Photoshop). How would you feel about talking to me via phone about the problem and how to fix it? People have very different feelings about responding to a request of this kind - some feel that it is a lot to ask and others see it as no big deal and are happy to help. I respect the feelings of both kind of person. I am a math teacher by trade, and I have started a movie club with my students. We are having a lot of fun doing this (I've invested a good $3,000 in equipment, software, etc. in addition to the high end photographic equipment that I already have), and I am hoping to create a thriving after school activity around movie making. Let me know how you would feel about helping me. I have a natural inclination to shy away from taking up other people's time (I know how valuable mine is), so like I say, no big deal if you are not in a position to help. I think that doing this over the phone, however, would be much quicker than doing it via email.

                          Thanks,

                          Bryan

                          • 11. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                            Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                            Upload somewhere your Ps file you have the issue with and a test PrPro project within which the aforementioned colour mismatch is reproduced. I'll have a look and either PM you my Skype or give step by step instruction on how to fix the issue.

                             

                            By the way, do you have After Effects installed?

                            • 12. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                              bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                              Kevin

                              Is there a reason why I cannot make color adjustments to video files in Photoshop or Lightroom, and then use Premiere Pro to do all the other video editing (In and Out points, create transitions, etc.)? Presumably whatever color corrections I made in Photoshop would be retained after rendering and the "look" that I achieved in Photoshop would be intact when I bring the clip into Premiere Pro.

                              Bryan

                              • 13. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                                Fuzzy

                                Attached are 2 video. To see the problem that I have been trying to resolve, I would open each clip using the application in the title. Let me know what you think, and, truly thank you for your help; it is greatly appreciated.

                                Bryan

                                • 14. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                  bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                                  Attached are a couple of screen shots. The first is a still image from a clip that was color adjusted in Photoshop. The second screen shot shows a still image from the exact same clip after the adjustments were made in Photoshop. The only difference is that the second screen shot was taken from the clip opened in Premiere Pro instead of Photoshop. They should look identical, but they do not.
                                    Thank you,

                                    Bryan

                                  Still Image From Video Clip Opened in Photoshop.png

                                   

                                   

                                  Still Image from Video Clip Opened in Premiere Pro.png

                                  • 15. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                    Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                                    It's hard to guess without seeing your actual PSD file and PrPro project.

                                     

                                    So as to find out what is your working space and which profile is currently assigned to your PSD file open it up in Photoshop then go to Edit -> Convert To Profile... You'll see the following dialog box:

                                    Ps. Colour Profile.jpg

                                    If the Source Space is not sRGB IEC61966-2.1, you have several options to fix the issue:

                                    1. Instead of exporting your video out of this PSD file and then reimporting the rendered footage into PrPro, import your PSD file into PrPro directly, choose Individual Layers in the Import Layered File dialog box.

                                     

                                    Bear in mind, you are limited to 99 layers when importing PSD file into PrPro. If you have more, PrPro will neither see the rest in the dialog box nor import them. In this case you should split your original PSD file into several ones.

                                     

                                    If you have some difficulties on importing, such as PrPro can properly see just one layer (frame) inside your PSD file and perceives all the rest as e.g. White Solid, make sure you have Frame Animation in your PSD, not the Timeline, and Frames are Flattened into Layers.

                                     

                                    2. If you don't want to take trouble over direct PSD import, prior to rendering your video out of Photoshop as either QuickTime movie or image sequence, convert the colour profile of your PSD to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, i.e. go to Edit -> Convert To Profile..., make sure your Destination Space is set to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 (exactly as in the screenshot above) and click OK. Then render.

                                     

                                    If it were me, I'd render to either PNG (both MOV file and image sequence options are available) or TGA (image sequence).

                                     

                                    If all the above doesn't help, consider sharing both your PSD file and PrPro project file. Use file hosting services like FileFactory or Dropbox.

                                    • 16. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                      cfg_2451 Level 2

                                      bryanbrowne1 wrote:

                                       

                                      I have been making color adjustments to movie clips in Photoshop or Lightroom (both of which do a great job), but when I bring the clips into Premiere Pro or Premiere Elements the colors are not the same as what I was seing in the other programs. It is as if the programs are using different color profiles. How do I resolve this problem?

                                       

                                      Photoshop and Lightroom are designed for still photography. Still photographers use a color managed workflow that in general ends in a paper print. Since printers/inks/papers can in general display a wider gamut than computer monitors can display, we use tools manage it, such as soft proofing. The efficient way to control this is through ICC profiles of the printer/ink/paper combinations, of which there are thousands. Thus Photoshop and Lightroom and other still photography tools are esentially required to be color managed.

                                       

                                      PPro and film/video have decidedly different requirements. The video workflow ends in a light source display (projection, HDTV, or web video, all are light sources, where a pigment ink print is a reflective source, which has entirely different characteristics). These end displays are not variable workspace displays. HDTV displays only in REC.709 workspace, its gamut, contrast, etc. are tightly defined. Web video uses the sRGB workspace. Etc.

                                       

                                      I'm just sayin' that still photography and video have very different requirements. Trying to force still photography methods onto a video workflow is bound to be difficult and full of problems, as you have found.

                                       

                                      The answer to your "How do I resolve this problem" question is perhaps to use the still photography tools for still photography, and the video tools for video. A stills workflow for stills, and a video workflow for video.

                                       

                                      A video workflow implies doing color correction and color grading on external monitors that natively support the target work space (Rec.709 in the case of HDTV, Blu-ray, or DVD output [OK, technically DVD uses SDTV's REC.601 work space, but 709 is "close enough" that you can get by in all but the most critical applications]). IOW, use a production monitor, or at least an HDTV (calibrated of course), to judge final output.

                                       

                                      Trying to color correct video on a computer monitor is just asking for trouble. As you well know by now.

                                       

                                      A good place to start learning the video way of things when it comes to color correction and grading is Alexis Van Hurkman's Color Correction Handbook. Highly recommended; it answered questions that I didn't know enough to ask yet. Might for you too, IDK.

                                      • 17. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                        JEShort01 Level 4

                                        Bryan,

                                         

                                        For years I have been bringing photos in from Photoshop into Premiere and now Premiere Pro and never experienced any issues like you describe. In fact, I just opened a video slide-show project in CS5.03 any my colors are spot on. Further more I love the ability to right click on a photo in the timeline and send it to Photoshop for edits, which are then automatically propagated back into the Premiere Pro project. I do use Adobe color management in Photoshop and for printing to an Epson Stylus Pro 3800 printer and colors are spot on there as well.

                                         

                                        Here's my workflow:

                                        - Do primary editing of photos in Photoshop

                                        - Use Photoshop batch processing to reduce resolution and make a copy of all photos as JPGs; this is really easy and I feel reduces the load by Premiere to deal with more "right sized" flattened images vs. the original DSLR or scanned LARGE PSD files

                                        - Use Bridge and "batch rename" feature to do final culling and putting a rough cut order number for each file (i.e. 0003_Dave_face.jpg); has nothing to do with color management, but I really appreciate how much time this aspect of my workflow helps for projects with 500+ photos

                                        - Finish up with Premiere Pro

                                         

                                        Full disclosure - I do not fully comprehend all of the variants and subtleties of color management and therefore had not posted to this thread before. I am posting now though with the though that possibly something I am doing here (maybe sticking with sRGB, maybe saving to JPG before using photos in Premiere, other???) would help you or someone else out.

                                         

                                        Regards,

                                         

                                        Jim

                                        • 18. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                          Level 7

                                          >> PPro and film/video have decidedly different requirements.

                                           

                                          That is incorrect.

                                           

                                          The ICC color management workflow applies equally to film and video.  ICC profiles and conversions account for reflective and emissive displays, as well as all kinds of image sources (film, digital, rendering, etc.), and viewing conditions (surrounding color and brightness, display brightness, adaptation state, etc.).

                                           

                                          But there has been resistance to adoption because the technology came from outside the film and video community (and some groups are just allergic to standards).

                                           

                                          With ACES workflows, the film and video community is slowly adtopting some color management -- putting them about where the photo community was in 1992.

                                           

                                           

                                          BTW - Rec. 709 and sRGB only differ significantly in the intended viewing environments (dim living room versus well lit office).  For most purposes they can be treated as being the same.

                                           


                                          • 19. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                            Level 7

                                            Since we know that Premiere is not color managed (will not convert colorspaces, will not correct for the display, etc.), your best bet is probably to target all images for sRGB - which is nearly the same as Rec. 709 for video.

                                             

                                            I am not yet sure how Premiere will handle ACES workflows for film production (which require at least minimal colorspace conversions and display correction).  For more info on ACES: http://www.oscars.org/science-technology/council/projects/aces.html

                                            Fortunately, unless you make big films, you probably don't have to worry about ACES just yet.

                                            • 20. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                              the_wine_snob Level 9

                                              Chris,

                                               

                                              Nice to see you over on "this side of the street."

                                               

                                              Thank you for your explanations and observations. Always appreciated.

                                               

                                              Hunt

                                              • 21. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                What do I need to do then to make accurate color adjustments while working in Premiere Pro?

                                                 

                                                A properly calibrated external TV.  You can get the signal out via third party hardware from AJA, Blackmagic and others.  Or you can export and bring it to a DVD or Blu-ray player hooked up to a calibrated TV.

                                                • 22. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                  SFL46 Level 3

                                                  All very interesting.  I will point out in case it helps someone that PSP does have a color profile for Rec 709 already built in--it also has a profile for NTSC-1950, amd Rec 610.

                                                  • 23. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                    bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                                                    Kevin

                                                    I think I should simplify my description of the problem. Basically, even prior to editing, video clips opened in Photoshop and Lightroom look identical. The same clip opened in Premiere Pro looks different. Victoria Bampton created a screen shot that she thought would be helpful for anyone working on the problem which can be accessed through this link:

                                                    (http://www.lightroomforums.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=3506)

                                                    I want to solve this problem. Is there a justifyable reason why video should look different across applications (prior to any editing), and if not, what do I need to do to get the video to look the same. My reason for wanting it to look the same is because I would like to be able to use some of the unique features of all 3 programs to do color adjustment on video clips. Yes, I am aware that Premiere Pro offers its own tools for making color adjustments, but when work on photographs I often jump between programs simply because I am comfortable with certain features, and I would like to be able to do the same with video clips. Of course, I cannot do this if the colors in the video clips are not the same to begin with; I'll never know what I am getting. You mentioned in your first post that you do not have this problem, so it seems like I should be able to expect that my video clips will look the same in all three programs. I am using Windows 7 on a Sony Vaio computer. I am using Photoshop CS6 Extended, Lightroom 4 and Premiere Pro CS6. My guess is that the solution is something pretty simple. Why would video clips all look the same on your computer but different on mine when we are both using the same versions of the software. Any help would be appreciated.

                                                    Bryan 

                                                    • 24. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                      bryanbrowne1 Level 1

                                                      Sorry SFL46, what is PSP?

                                                      • 25. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                        Level 7

                                                        Photoshop and Lightroom correct the color from the document colorspace, and convert that to the colorspace of your display - this way you get the most accurate representation regardless of the display, and it'll look the same to everyone (because they correct for different displays).

                                                         

                                                        Applications that are not color managed just copy the values from the document to the display without any conversion - which means that what you see is highly dependent on each display, and everyone will see something different (because they have different displays).

                                                         

                                                        Because Premiere is not color managed, the default display will look different than color managed applications like Photoshop and Lightroom.

                                                         

                                                        If you are using sRGB or Rec.709 for your document profile, then what you see in Photoshop and Lightroom is probably close to what you would see if you put the output from Premiere on a calibrated video display.  If you are using other profiles for your documents (Adobe RGB, ProPhoto, etc.) then you probably need to convert to sRGB or Rec.709 so that it will look correct once output from Premiere.

                                                        • 26. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                          jan de lange

                                                          I have the same problem as Brian Browne, color corrections on DNG file sequence in Lightroom 4, export as 16 bit PSD, import sequence into Premiere CS6, color profile sRGB 2.1 as given by Fuzzy Barsik.

                                                           

                                                          Colors in Lightroom and Photoshop are identical, colors in Premiere (and Irfanview) are different.

                                                           

                                                          I think the reason is given by Chris Cox: Lightroom and Photoshop make use of the screen calibration profile (NEC, Spectraview), whereas Premiere and Irfanview do not.

                                                           

                                                          So then the question remains: how will the video look on a different (target?) display? What will the audience see?

                                                          • 27. Re: Color Differences between Lightroom and Premiere Pro
                                                            GrizzlyAK Level 1

                                                            I know this is a little old, but wondering what would happen if you turned color management off either in Windows or in Ps? If you were to do this, then the photos in both Ps and Pr should look the same on the same monitor, right? That would identify CM as the reason for the difference, and why Pr looks different than Ps and Lr.