23 Replies Latest reply on Mar 29, 2013 9:07 AM by DanielFilming

    Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.

    DanielFilming

      I have taken 250 images which I will edit into a stop motion film. however, I've encountered a few problems.

       

      The biggest problem is that when I imported the images into the timeline they were severely magnified and not even centered in the frame. as you can see by this screenshot:

       

       

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      This is a big problem. You'd think I wouldn't have to go through every signle image and scale it down to correctly fit the frame..... right?? It's not even centered which means I have to scale and move and be very accurate and it's going to take so many hours to do! What is wrong here, how do I fix it so that when I import the images, they are the correct scale?

       

      problem 2: when i put the images in the timeline they were "backwards". As in, the last image was first in the timeline and the first image was last. It's like the program is TRYING to make my life a living hell.

        • 1. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
          DanielFilming Level 1

          This is a very important question, I would most appreciate any kind of a helpful reply

          • 2. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
            Steven L. Gotz Level 5

            First of all, be careful how you select the images. Start with the first and end with the last. Or use Automate to sequence.

             

            Also, you probably want to select "Default Scale to Frame Size" in the Preferences on the General tab. That will put the images in the center of the frame, scaled down as required.

            • 3. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
              DanielFilming Level 1

              Thanks that was very helpful.

               

              additionally, the images I've taken don't match the full screen. other than fixing scale width on every image, is there anything i can do to fix this? why is it happening and how do I prevent it in the future?

               

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              I'm also wondering, is there any way to edit the scale width on all images at once instead of all individually?

               

              Thirdly, is it possible to reduce the length of the images all at once instead of all individually? I mean other than bringing everything into another sequence and fast forwarding. This is a real problem for stop motion.

              • 4. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                Daniel, so as to solve your issue in principal, you shouldn't import your numbered stills as single images, you should import them as a sequence - tick 'Numbered Stills' checkbox in the Import dialog box, and Bob's your uncle - PrPro will treat all those stills as a single footage.

                 

                Go to Edit -> Preferences -> Media -> Indeterminate Media Timebase and set default desired frame rate. So as to change the framerate of already imported image sequence select it in the Project panel, right-click and choose Modify -> Interpret Footage...

                 

                Default duration for stills is also set via Preferences: Edit -> Preferences -> General -> Still Image Default Duration. So as to change the duration of all the stills in your timeline select them all, right-click, choose Speed/Duration and set the duration to e.g. 1 frame. Don't forget to tick Ripple Edit, Shifting Trailing Clips checkbox.

                • 5. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                  Steven L. Gotz Level 5

                  Oh, good. Fuzzy took the hardest subject leaving me the easier ones.

                   

                  Just remember that the duration of the stills is initially determined at import. So starting over might be the easiest way after you do what Fuzzy suggested.

                   

                  The scale of the clips, the size, can be changed by changing one still and copying it. Then you select all the rest and Paste Attributes.

                   

                  Your real problem, as far as I can tell is that you shoot 3:2 and you want to edit 16:9. That means you only have a few choices.

                   

                  1. When you scale it down, use the Motion Effect's Scale parameter. That leaves you with choices.

                   

                       a. Make it look like what you posted, with black bars on the sides. (You can put other things in the black area, by the way.)

                       b. Zoom in to where all the frame is filled but you lose some of the top and bottom.

                   

                  2. Zoom out even farther, put frames around the images, float them around the screen. This makes it look like you did it on purpose.

                   

                  3. Create a sequence that uses a 3:2 ration and export it that way. If it is for the web, it works great. If for a DVD, not so much.

                   

                  Of course, you could always choose to shoot 16:9 in the future if your camera is capable of that. (Mine is.)

                  • 6. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                    DanielFilming Level 1

                    Awesome answers as always, guys! I've run into more problems, or rather odd things that I can't explain.

                     

                    When i first tried to render the video out it was skipping and acting like a busted vhs tape. I got the idea to change the settings from 24 to 60 and it appears to work fine now. however, it still looks like this some times in the timeline:

                     

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                    Why? also, when i rendered it out there was still 2 seconds of footage in the middle that skipped and got fuzzy. but the rest was totally fine. why? i tried replaying it a bunch of times and the fuzz was a little different each time so it might have only been my player but that still doesn't explain why it happened. any thoughts?

                     

                    EDIT: now it's happening again despite the fact that I rendered in 60 fps. I am at a complete loss with this. Please suggest things that might fix this, in the meanwhile I'm gonna finish the video and upload it. maybe it has fixed itself by then, if not I'll put the video on private and show you guys.

                    • 7. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                      Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                      What's inside of this nested 'Sequence 02' at this very frame? Any chance the still is corrupted?

                       

                      What were your export settings: codec, bitrate etc.? If you exported to e.g. H.264 with default 32/40 Mbps of HDTV preset bitrate, it might be your mediaplayer can't play it back in real time on your machine.

                      • 8. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                        DanielFilming Level 1

                        hopefully that's what the problem is. I'm going to render out the whole thing now and upload it to see if it works on youtube.

                         

                        "What's inside of this nested 'Sequence 02' at this very frame?" just a bunch of stills

                         

                        There's very little chance the pictures are corrupted. My export settings were:

                         

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                        • 9. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                          Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                          As I said, chances are your media player can't playback 60 fps of H.264 with quite high bitrate, 32/40 Mbps, in real time. No worries, YouTube will decrease it for you with care.

                           

                          There's very little chance the pictures are corrupted.

                          Just check that frame (Shift+T within your 'Sequence 03' to jump to that very frame within 'Sequence 02'). So as to nail down the issue it's easier (and wiser) to check than keep guessing...

                          • 10. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                            DanielFilming Level 1

                            it doesn't matter, it's not just that frame, it's the whole thing.

                             

                            Just finished rendering, it has a couple of glitches here and there. I'm gonna try and upload and see if it works.

                             

                            In the meantime, should I do anything about my settings in the future? set a different bitrate, ect?

                            • 11. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                              Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                              First and foremost, why are you working at 23.976 and 59.94 fps if you live in the PAL side of the Earth and your goal is just to upload your video on YouTube? Isn't it better start from proper sequence settings?

                               

                              Secondly, set Bitrate Encoding to VBR, 2 Pass so as to benefit from better quality out of smaller file size.

                               

                              Regard to bitrate settings, it depends on how you plan to watch the video. If your media player can't play it back in real time, start to gradually desrease it. Keep in mind, modern AVCHD camcorders shoot with 28 Mpbs, first AVCHD cameras shot with 17 Mbps, H.264 YouTube preset offers 10 Mbps, H.264 Vimeo preset - 8 Mbps.

                               

                              Rather turn 'Use Maximum Render Quality' off. See e.g. this thread.

                              • 12. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                DanielFilming Level 1

                                "First and foremost, why are you working at 23.976 and 59.94 fps if you live in the PAL side of the Earth and your goal is just to upload your video on YouTube? Isn't it better start from proper sequence settings?"

                                 

                                I don't understand. 24 and 60 are pal. I'm confused. I'm sure I'm missing something, please educate me.

                                 

                                It didn't work. as you can see here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHisHCDctMM&feature=youtu.be

                                 

                                I counted at least 3 times where the picture flickered. How do I fix this?

                                • 13. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                  Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                                  See e.g. this Wikipedia article on frame rate. Use 25 fps for regular sequence.

                                  I counted at least 3 times where the picture flickered. How do I fix this?

                                  It's hard to guess without knowing what's in those frames exactly. If everything is OK with all stills, there might be issues with your machine and disk setup in particular. Start a brand new project, import stills as a sequence, create 1080p25 sequence, drop your footage out of the numbered stills into the sequence and check if the issue persists. If yes, upload that project and stills somewhere so that we can check.

                                   

                                  By the way, what is your spec: CPU, RAM, GPU, HDD setup? Where do you store your footages: on internal or external drive? Etc.

                                  • 14. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                    DanielFilming Level 1

                                    " import stills as a sequence, create 1080p25 sequence, drop your footage out of the numbered stills into the sequence and check if the issue persists"

                                     

                                    ......what? do i set the project at 25 aswell? and what do you mean by "drop your footage out of the numbered stills into the sequence "? I don't understand.

                                     

                                    When I rendered in 24 the image was completely messed up. When I rendered in 60 it was much better but not perfect. I figured that was because there were far more than 24 stills in 1 second. Now you're telling me to render in 25?

                                     

                                    my computer is an Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU   Q6600 @ 2.40GHz  2.40 GHz

                                     

                                    8 gb RAM

                                     

                                    64 bit system

                                     

                                    Windows vista

                                     

                                    internal hard drive.

                                    • 15. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                      Fuzzy Barsik Level 4
                                      ......what? do i set the project at 25 aswell?

                                      You can't set the project at 25 fps, you set a sequence.

                                      Now you're telling me to render in 25?

                                      Not just to render, but being consistent. Regular PAL is 25 fps. Monkeying with fps without understanding what you're doing and why is not wise. If you're not striving for 'film look', you don't need 24 fps. If you do and create your sequence out of stills, be stick to 24 fps throughout your pipeline. Meanwhile, messing up with frame rates hardly causes that flickering.

                                      ...are you telling me I have to do everything all over again? I don't know what you mean.

                                      I'm telling you to start a brand new project so as to narrow down what might cause the issue. It's up to you whether to debug it or not. I'm going to sleep

                                      • 16. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                        DanielFilming Level 1

                                        I redid the entire project and all i got was a black screen. I'm going to upgrade to cs6 and see if I can make it work that way.

                                         

                                        But I shoot all my stuff in 24fps, shouldn't my project and render settings then be 24? what's the difference?

                                        • 17. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                          Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                                          Don't think that your issue is related to PrPro version. I'm still on CS5.5 and never had an issue with image sequences.

                                           

                                          Regard to frame rate, as I said, if you deliberately shoot in 24 fps (which is likely 23.976 and, therefore, NTSC), be stick to it and edit and export in 23.976 fps. Since your goal is to upload your video on YouTube and not to deliver it to a Norway or any other European broadcaster, don't bother about PAL too much.

                                           

                                          However, as I also mentioned, I don't think that your ongoing issue is caused by mixing frame rates - I have no problems with interpreting numbered stills as 23.976 fps, editing in 23.976 fps and exporting as 24p. Something is wrong with either your footages or your system. You'd rather upload your test project along with some of your problematic stills with which you can reproduce the issue (either old good flickering or the new one with a nice completely black screen) so that we could test them on our machines.

                                          • 18. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                            DanielFilming Level 1

                                            I upgraded to cs6 and imported all the images together, I made them 3 frames per and exported them. The problem is slightly improved but still there. I'm still getting flicker.

                                             

                                            Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_yZjskzTLs

                                             

                                            Black screen version from yesterday if you want to look at it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcAEO8YU6Y

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            The problem has to be with my settings. when I upgraded it deleted all my prefrences and settings. There was no dslr preset either so I had to redo it all from  scratch to the best of my ability. Here is a complete rundown of my settings:

                                             

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                                            I shoot with a canon dslr 60D in 24fps and upload all my stuff in 1080p. Please advice.

                                            • 19. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                              Fuzzy Barsik Level 4
                                              I upgraded to cs6 and... There was no dslr preset either...

                                              You should install all the latest updates to fix the issue.

                                              I shoot with a canon dslr 60D in 24fps and upload all my stuff in 1080p. Please advice.

                                              Check your MOV files, they are 23.976 fps.

                                              And again, upload your test PrPro project file along with some stills somewhere and post the links.

                                              • 20. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                                DanielFilming Level 1

                                                You want me to upload the project file? won't you need all my stills aswell to make it work? How do i upload the project file?

                                                 

                                                And what stills? the problem only comes when i export the project and i uploaded that to youtube for you in my previous post.

                                                 

                                                Also, I uploaded the screenshots of my settings so you could tell me exactly what kind of settings I should set so that the problem might get fixed and for future projects. Please, i really need help with that.

                                                • 21. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                                  Fuzzy Barsik Level 4

                                                  Yes, upload your project file and some stills. No needs to upload all your stills, just enough to see the issue. E.g. if you can reproduce the issue with just two or three stills, upload just those two or three ones. The purpose is to make sure that the source files are not corrupted and explore in details what is inside your PrPro project.

                                                   

                                                  Use any file hosting service like FileFactory or Dropbox.

                                                   

                                                  See you tomorrow...

                                                  • 22. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                                    DanielFilming Level 1

                                                    It's easier to use email. I'm pm'ing you.

                                                    • 23. Re: Problem with the scale of pictures when importing.
                                                      DanielFilming Level 1

                                                      Oh my God this is so funny. For 2 straight days I've been at this and now all of the sudden it works. all I did was play around with my settings. I don't know what I did or how I did it but I think I've got a good solid sequence and render settings set for the future now.

                                                       

                                                      For educational purposes here are screens of my settings, you're welcome to try and figure out how I fixed it cos I sure as hell don't know! Also, comments on my current settings are welcome cos this works great and I'm not planning on changing them for future projects. But if you think some of them can be improved upon I'm always open for suggestions! Thanks for your help everyone!

                                                       

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