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    Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature

    PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

      I just sent the following FR to Adobe.  I believe it's the single biggest thing missing in PP.  If you agree that this would help your workflow, please support these ideas by reposting them in your own FRs here: http://www.adobe.com/go/wish.

       

      Any tweaks you would suggest for an event better workflow?  Please share!

       

      Cheers

       

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      FCPX and FCP7-style subclip creation

       

      How would you like the feature to work?

       

      FCPX-style subclips:

      1. 1. Ability to assign keyboard shortcuts to Bins (e.g. numbers 0-9 on keypad).
      2. 2. While playing a clip in the Source Monitor, hitting one or more of these shortcuts would automatically send the whole clip or its marked in/out range to the linked Bin(s), without interrupting playback.
      3. 3. For easy reference, Bins with a shortcut could display the shortcut in the Bin's name.  For example, a Bin named 'Interviews' would automatically appear as 'Interviews {1}' if associated with that shortcut.

       

      FCP7-style subclips:

      1. 1. Ability to drag/drop trimmed clips from the Timeline back into one or more Bin, together with any associated effects and keyframes.

       

      IMPORTANT NOTE: In order to be useful, these subclips would have to maintain flexible in/out points (i.e. ability to trim in/out points out to the clip's original duration)

       

       

      Why is this feature important to you?


      Being able to organize/search for partial clips in the Project window is much better than doing so in the Timeline since Bins are: keyword searchable, sortable, and viewable in 2 modes (Icon or List view). But most of all, easy subclip creation would help keep the Timeline free of all non immediately-relevant media, since any clips for later use could be stored in Bins instead of in the Timeline.

       

      The lack of any easy, flexible and intelligent subclip creation/organization in PP remains it's biggest shortcoming, IMO.  PP's current method of creating subclips - that can't be created on the fly from the Source Monitor, can't contain imbedded effects/keyframes, and can't have flexible in/out points - is of little real world use.

       

      Adding FCPX and FCP7-style subclip creation/organization in Premiere Pro would make editing easier for most, if not all, editors: including documentary filmmakers with lots of footage to sort, music video editors who want to store B-roll clips for later use, FCP editors migrating to PP, and on and on!

        • 1. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
          Jim_Simon Level 8

          Given the prevalence of tapeless media, where every shot automatically creates a new clip, I think the general use of subclips has declined in recent years.  I also think the current method of creating subclips for those who still use them is sufficient, and this feature would require too much of Adobe's limited resources that are better spent on other things.

           

          The one part of your request I would agree with is that the In/Out points of any subclip should be adjustable in the sequence without any more effort than simply dragging the ends.  (Thus any transition added to a full sublcip would automatically have the needed handles.)

          • 2. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
            PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

            Tapeless media = reduced need for subclips?  I wish the quality and logic of your posts were as high as the number of posts you make.

             

            Let's compare workflows:

            FCPX:

            1. Can create and send a subclip to an appropriate keyword collection (i.e. 'Bin) directly from the 'Source Monitor', live during playback, simply by using a keyboard shortcut.

             

            Premiere Pro:

            Can create subclips by 

            1. Sending a trimmed clip from the Source Monitor to the Timeline.
            2. Seletecting the clip in the Timeline.
            3. Selecting 'Create subclip' from the context menu (or using a keyboard shortcut, if created)
            4. Clicking 'OK' on the 'Make Subclip' dialogue box.
            5. Finding the newly created subclip in the Project window and drag/dropping it to the correct Bin (since unless the correct Bin was pre-selected, chances are it will be misplaced in the Project Window)

             

            FCPX = 1 step

            PPCS6= 5 steps

             

            If you want to send the same subclip to different Bins, as you can in FCPX, it's even more steps in PP.

            Now please explain, how is the current method of creating subclips in PP 'sufficient'?

             

            Instead of stiffling the call for progress with counter-productive posts (as I've seen you do for other forum members as well), why not join the rally to help improve PP and let it be all it can be?  Minimizing PP's faults and shortcomings does nothing to help improve the NLE we love.

             

            At least we both agree that subclips shouldn't have hard in/out points.  It's hard to imagine what the person who programmed it this way was thinking.

            • 3. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
              Sal Spring

              Here is how in Pr Pro CS6 I make a subclip and have it put in the desired bin

               

              1. Select the bin in the project panel

              2. Trim the clip in the Source Monitor and, whether it is playing or not, hit my kb shortcut (which at the moment happens to be shift+u)

              3. Hit Enter

               

              That's it.

               

              Not sure why you are going to all the extra trouble.

              • 4. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                Hi Sal,

                 

                Actually, I don't go to all the extra trouble.  Subclips in PP are so limited with their hard in/out points that, as much as I would love to, I never use them at all.

                 

                You're workflow reduces 5 steps to 3, yes, but it still doesn't allow you to send subclips to different Bins without changing the focus back and forth between the Source Monitor and the Project window each time you want to select another Bin.  And 3 steps is still 3x more work than 1 step.  Repeated hundreds of time, it adds up to a very big productivity hit!

                 

                FCPX's method in this regard is brilliant since it allows editors to use just the keyboard (with zero mousing around) to: jump to the next clip, set in/out points, send clip selection to appropriate 'Bin', repeat.  It's a super fast, brilliant workflow that has to be experienced to be fully appreciated.  Unfortunately, that's where FCPX's brilliance ends IMO.

                 

                I'm sure Adobe could attract a ton of documentary film-makers by adding this feature to PP, since half the work with documentary editing is properly organizing clips and partial clips for easy access while editing.

                • 5. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                  Jim_Simon Level 8

                  Tapeless media = reduced need for subclips?

                   

                  Sure, when you consider one of the largest needs for them was cutting up your hour long tape capture into individual scenes.  Scene Detect and now tapeless media have obviated the need for subclips for many users.

                  • 6. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                    PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                    You don't seem to understand the organizational power of subclips then.  It's about breaking up individual clips into their various relevant pieces for easy later acess.  Is separating a 10 minute interview into a single clip from a tape the only use for subclips?  Of course not, considering that single clip could potentially be broken down into dozens of subclips such as soundbites, reactions shots, smiles, nods, whatever pieces an editor might want to quickly grab down the road.  Hope this clarifies it.

                     

                    Saddly, the current organizational power of PP's subclips is next to zero since with their hard in/out points, they're of very little use. Adobe NEEDS to fix this ASAP!

                    • 7. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                      Sal Spring Level 1

                      Hi Pierre,

                       

                      I'm curious about how FCPX uses a single kb shortcut to assign a subclip to a bin. Does each bin have its own sortcut for this purpose? Is there a maximum number of bins that this works for?

                      • 8. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                        PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                        Hi Sal,

                         

                        To understand better how FCPX does this, I suggest you watch the first minute of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-3w_vgrO8g.

                         

                        To answer your questions, keyword collections (FCPX's version of Premiere Pro's Bins) don't necessarily have an attributed keyboard shortcut, but you can assign shortcuts to up to 9 of these 'bins' at any one time.

                         

                        Hope this helps.  If you like what you see, please add your own FR to help get Adobe to modernize PP!

                        • 9. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                          leslie wand Level 2

                          Sure, when you consider one of the largest needs for them was cutting up your hour long tape capture into individual scenes.  Scene Detect and now tapeless media have obviated the need for subclips for many users.

                           

                          oh yeah!

                           

                          try a wide ranging, single take, 2 hour interview....

                          • 10. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                            Jim_Simon Level 8

                            the current organizational power of PP's subclips is next to zero since with their hard in/out points, they're of very little use.

                             

                            Well, that I will definitely agree with.

                            • 11. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                              medeamajic Level 2

                              PierreLousieBeranek,

                               

                              The video was kind of silly considering Adobe had awesome metadata capabilites long before FCP X. I suggest you learn how to use Premiere Pro before knocking it :  )

                              • 12. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                medeamajic,

                                 

                                With next to zero usable subclip workflow in PP, it's undeniable that PP is seriously lacking in its media organization tools vis-à-vis FCPX and FCP7.  How does Adobe's metadata capabilities even have anything to do with the fact that Premiere has no easy/useful way of creating subclips on the fly directly from the Source Monitor?

                                 

                                If you re-read my post, you'll noticed that I posted the video to help another user understand a FCPX feature that would be more than welcome in PP, and NOT to knock Premiere down, as you accuse.

                                • 13. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                  Biggles Lamb Level 3

                                  Instead of rubbishing Premiere and the users of this forum who have spent the equivalent of hundreds of hours helping others why, if FCP is so good; do you just not leave this forum and move over totally to FCPX?

                                   

                                  In using Premiere for 15 years I have never used subclips hence I totally agree with Jim and would rather see Adobe resources used in a more worthwhile fashion for the vast majority of the users.

                                  • 14. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                    PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                    Biggles, you've just proven my point by saying that you haven't used subclips in the last 15 years of using Premiere.  Thank you!  I haven't either.  That's as good an indication as any that subclips in PP are worthless due to their hard in/out points, as mentioned several times before.

                                     

                                     

                                    As I said, sometimes you don't know what you're missing until you see or get it.  I didn't know the organizational tools I've been missing out on myself until I tried FCPX.  But as I made rather clear, FCPX's genius organizational abilities are where that program's genius ends, IMO.  So FCPX is a no go, despite it's brilliant keywording features.

                                     

                                    I'm sorry you and certain others on these forums see my honest effort to see PP improve as a 'rubbishing' of Premiere and it's users.  I choose the path of offering FRs, and thoughtful, relevant discussion rather than unwarranted attacks/assumptions (e.g. your assumption that since you personally have never used subclips in 15 years, Adobe's resources would be better spent elsewhere than improving this feature that never worked properly).  Where some see opportunity, as I do in some amazing tricks FCPX has shown us are possible, others see problems (added programming work for Adobe, etc).

                                     

                                    Having seen several users jumping the gun with  accusations and  assumptions, I'm beginning to question if users on these forums are more interested in seeing Premiere Pro improve, or defending Adobe and themselves against the truth that there's still a ton of room for improvement.

                                     

                                    When those who dedicate lots of time to offering well elaborated FRs are told by a forum member 'just leave', you've got to wonder what's their motivation.  As Cypher in The Matrix says, "Ignorance is bliss".  You can't feel the lack of what you don't know exists, so I can understand a certain resistance to new ideas, however better they may be to the old paradigm.  Resistance to change and improvement is a historic fact: it happened with cars (i.e. resistance to 'horseless carriages'), and sadly it happens in every industry, to this very day... including Adobe software.

                                    • 15. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                      Kevin-Monahan Adobe Employee

                                      PierreLouisBeranek wrote:

                                       

                                      Biggles, you've just proven my point by saying that you haven't used subclips in the last 15 years of using Premiere.  Thank you!  I haven't either.  That's as good an indication as any that subclips in PP are worthless due to their hard in/out points, as mentioned several times before.

                                      How about a feature request for "soft" in/out points in subclips? Have you filed one yet?

                                      • 16. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                        PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                        Hi Kevin, you bet!  I sent a FRs for this years ago.  Seems Adobe listens to us in some cases but not in others.

                                         

                                        Without 'soft' in/out points, creating subclips for footage organization is of little to no value, since it's a lose-lose situation:

                                        • If you trim your clips with precision before making subclips, then those subclips no longer have handles for transitions and can no longer be extended should the editor need to down the line.
                                        • If you trim your clips very 'loosely', adding large 'just in case' handles to the content you actually want, then you end up with subclips that contain a lot of 'junk' to sort through and trim off in the Timeline.

                                         

                                        Of course, the flip side is FCP-style subclips with flexible, or 'soft' in/out points.  It's a win-win situation every time!

                                         

                                        Like Biggles and myself, I imagine very few PP editors use subclips, since the way it currently works just isn't useful at all.

                                         

                                        I'll send another FR for this one, given it's importance.  It's one of those things where you just scratch your head and wonder "what was the responsible programer thinking?!" Do it right in the first place, so you don't have to spend time fixing it years later.  That's my thought on that.    Oh well, mistakes happen.

                                        • 17. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                          PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                          Just added another FR for subclips with soft in/out points (my 50th FR in 2 months now!)  Hopefully many others do too.

                                           

                                          I think I'll wait until PP CS6.5 gets announced to post more FRs since, hopefully, several of my FRs have already been addressed in the update and therefore weren't even necessary anymore.

                                           

                                          Kevin, I just discovered something odd that I hope you can confirm on your system.  Right clicking on a clip with audio in the Timeline gives the option 'Make Subclip..." However, right clicking on a clip with no audio does not give that option in the contextual menu.

                                          Both instances perform as expected if creating a subclip using a keyboard shortcut, however.  Creating a subclip from the Timeline, using the keyboard shortcut on a clip with no audio, creates a subclip with its audio restored to whatever it is set to at the time the subclip is created (thus if a Stereo clip is dragged into the Timeline as video only, changed to Left mono in the Project Window, and then a subclip is created from the audio-less clip in the Timeline, the subclip gets created with its audio restored to Left mono).

                                           

                                          Any thoughts on why PP insists on subclips having audio?  The fact that the 'Make Subclip...' menu option disappears even though that function still works for a clip with no audio sounds like a bug to me.  I'll file it.

                                          • 18. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                            rpestes Level 1

                                            Pierre, you have beaten the subclip issue to death. Enough already! If you have made a feature request let it be and move on.

                                            • 19. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                              PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                              The same could be said to the thousands of complacent editors who see something wrong and do nothing about it: 'Enough already!'  Speak up, make yourself heard!  Sent FRs and share your thoughts on this and other forums!  Support others who take the time and effort to speak up instead of dragging them down!

                                               

                                              Effective clip organization tools are essential to a modern, productive workflow.  So I'll keep talking about it until Adobe addresses this serious shortcoming in Premiere.  If you don't want to tune in and read about subclips anymore, that's your choice, just as I have the choice to pursue progress in an area I'm passionate about.

                                              • 20. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                Biggles Lamb Level 3

                                                Pierre

                                                 

                                                A completely off topic response.

                                                 

                                                One thing you should be thankful of and that is your continued existence on this forum.

                                                 

                                                Had you been so voiciferous on the Grass Valley forum about Edius you would have been thrown out.

                                                • 21. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                  PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                  Seeing the negative, condescending tone from certain people on this forum is rather getting to be a bore.  How about we focus on providing solutions and support each other with positive feedback rather than unproductive quarrel?

                                                   

                                                  With that in mind,

                                                  Here's another idea that could make my original FR even easier to use:

                                                   

                                                  Bin Selection Through Touch Surfaces (e.g. iPad/Android tablet)

                                                   

                                                  A while back I had posted an idea whereby an iPad or similar tablet could be used as a Wi-Fi connected touch surface to literally 'touch to select' camera angles during multicam editing.

                                                   

                                                  It just dawned on me that the same concept could be used for sending pieces of clips from the Source Monitor to specific folders... through a visual touch surface!  Imagine having up to 10 named and colored squares on an iPad, each one representing a Label-enabled Bin in the Project Window.  While trimming clips in the Source monitor, sending the in/out range to one or more Bins as Labeled subclips would be as simple as tapping the respective 'Bin' square on a touch screen!  This would curtail the need to memorize new keyboard shortcuts for every new 'subclip-sendable' Bin.

                                                   

                                                  I really hope Adobe offers some kind of support for third party touch surfaces.  Several developers have created iPad touch surfaces for FCP already, so it is definitely a real possibility!  With the proper support in place, Adobe wouldn't even need to spend resources on creating the iPad/Android apps, since third party developer could jump at the opportunity as they are doing now for Apple.

                                                   

                                                  Any thoughts?

                                                  • 22. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                    medeamajic Level 2

                                                    Pierre,

                                                     

                                                    The video taked about keyword searches where all other non linear editors force you to sort through bin after bin. That is not true. Premiere has had key word search for years as well as metedata. FCP X acts like they invented key word searching and metadat both. They did not. I am not arguing that FCP X might make good use of subclips but no one here seems to need them.

                                                    • 24. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                      medeamajic Level 2

                                                      I agree that support for surface controls would be wise. Others may agree with you on that as well so your assumption that we defend Adobe no matter what is invalid.

                                                      • 25. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                        medeamajic Level 2

                                                        Why is a picture of Mel Gibson a response to me?

                                                        • 26. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                          joe bloe premiere Level 5

                                                          Don't be so touchy... yours was the last post in the thread!

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                                                          Try saving the Braveheart image to your disk.

                                                          • 27. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                            PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                            joe, Love the Braveheart picture!

                                                             

                                                            Hi medeamajic,

                                                             

                                                            It's true that Apple acts like they've invented many things, whether true or not.  But the video doesn't talk about keyword searches, as you're right in saying Premiere has had for some time.  It illustrates how FCPX allows you to send pieces of clips to up to 9 different Keyword 'Bins' at the simple touch of a button.  Want to send your current clip's in/out range from the Source Monitor to your 'B-Roll' bin for later use?  Hit numberpad #8, for example.  Want to send your trimmed clip to both the 'Interview' and 'Reaction Shot' bins?  Hit #2 and #3.  Easy as that!  I'll try to find another video that demonstrates this better (minus the arrogant Apple marketing at the beginning of the video I posted).

                                                             

                                                            If no one here seems to need subclips, it's because Premiere Pro has never given us usable subclip tools to work with.  As I said before, it's sometimes hard to understand what we've been missing until we finally get it.  Hopefully more and more Premiere editors discover the brilliance of FCPX's subclip creation tools, since I imagine that those who understand it fully, and care enough about seeing PP evolve, will soon be posting their own FRs for this.

                                                            • 28. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                              PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                              Anyone curious about how keyword collections work in FCPX (and the basis for the Feature I'm so adamantly requesting for PP), here's another video that explains it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5m0DNR4HUQ.

                                                               

                                                              It might not be the best produced video, but it's the one I found where the reviewer gets to the point the quickest.  A quick search in YouTube for "fcpx keywords" will bring up a lot of results.  Happy findings!

                                                               

                                                              • 29. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                                Any thoughts?

                                                                 

                                                                I see touch control as more of a gimmick than a widely useful feature for a broad set of editors.  I'd prefer Adobe spent their time on other things, to be honest.

                                                                • 30. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                  PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                  Well, I'm sure many film editors saw NLEs as more of a gimmick when they were first introduced.   Sooner or later,  touch surface controls will be here.  It's a logical progression and simply unavoidable, IMO (especially if you widen your scope and think about how touch surface controls could benefit other Adobe programs  such as Photoshop and Illustrator).  For our sake, I'd rather Adobe facilitate the work of third party developers now rather than later, since this will give them more time to develop truly useful apps (as opposed to just gimmicks).  The beauty of it is that once Adobe puts the infrastructure in place for all of their relevant programs, they can sit back and relax as other entrepreneurial developpers do the rest of the work.  To see the potential value of touch surface controls, you have to think outside the box.

                                                                  • 31. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                    joe bloe premiere Level 5

                                                                    What about interactive 3D holographic interfaces?

                                                                    • 32. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                      medeamajic Level 2

                                                                      The video mentioned key word search where all other non linear editors make you search through bin after bin. I will admit FCP X might have better media managment tools for your needs but Apple did not event metadata as implied. Having said that I don't ever have the need to send 500-600 clips into other bins. For me it is a non issue. If it is something you use 780345 times a day then by all means start making good use of FCP X.

                                                                      • 33. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                        PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                        I think that's still a little too far off into the future to really care about for now.

                                                                        • 34. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                          PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                          medeamajic,

                                                                          Nobody is even discussing who invented metadata, so why bring that up?  I LOVE Premiere, so even though FCPX has 1 or 2 features that I consider far superior to what Adobe gives us, why would I want to go to a program that in every other right is inferior IMO?

                                                                           

                                                                          Suggesting that I should use FCPX because there's a feature in that Program that I would love to see integrated into Premiere (not just for myself but for the sake of all editors who could use better clip management), is pretty low.  Why the negative attitude?

                                                                          • 35. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                            medeamajic Level 2

                                                                            Have you used the metadata of Premiere Pro at all? I watched your newest video and did not see anything new or anything that Premiere Pro cannot do. In fact Premiere Pro has done it for years. You can put in the type of camera, wide shot, medium shot, medium shot with low light. The cool thing about premiere is it does not make a little key word search folder (event folder) for every piece of metadata you add. The FCP X would look very cluttered real quick. Have you watched any videos on using Adobe Bridge and Premiere Pro with metadata? I think it might be wise. If you label 50 clips as medium shot and type medium shot all 50 clips clips will show up. They can be in different folders like HDV, AVCHD or still camera folder (you first FCP X video had it wrong). If you have 10 clips as medium shot plus low light added to the metadata only those will appear if you type medium shot, low light. Premiere Pro uses bins but it also uses metadata. I would prefer to just type key word search for low light or gazeebo rather than scrolling through a bunch of events folder to find the shots with low light, indoor auditorium, out door gazeebo or medium shot of gazeebo etc. I imagine you can type in keyword search with FCP X as well.  Having said that I was not impressed at all with your video.

                                                                            • 36. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                              Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                                              I'm sure many film editors saw NLEs as more of a gimmick when they were first introduced.

                                                                               

                                                                              Speaking for myself only, having first been trained to edit using two tape decks and an edit controller, I found the NLE to be a major advance in the field of editing.  Once I got my Avid training, I never went back to linear again.

                                                                               

                                                                              I don't feel the same about trying to do the work with a touch screen.  Rather quite the opposite.  Touch interfaces are far more limited than what can be done with a mouse and keyboard.  You need them for a tablet, but for a full desktop, touch is more annoying than helpful.  (Just look at the backlash MS has taken over Windows 8.)

                                                                              • 37. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                                Alan Craven Level 4

                                                                                I don't go as far back in editing as Jim, but I am with him on touch screens v mouse/keyboard - the touch screen is the worst feature by far on my latest camera!

                                                                                 

                                                                                We have already had Adobe Audition wrecked to make it accessible to Mac users.  Please let us not go down the same road with Premiere Pro.

                                                                                • 38. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                                  PierreLouisBeranek Level 1

                                                                                  Jim and Alan,

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Your opinions on Touch Screens seem to be based on other current or past uses of it that don't relate well to NLEs or other Adobe software.  Windows 8 gives you a touch screen inspired interface on a desktop.  No very useful unless using a tablet, I agree.  Touch screens on cameras are something people either love or hate, mostly depending on the manufacturer's implementation I would think (If they replace physical buttons with touch features, it's a mistake IMO and some people hate it.  If they complement existing buttons with touch features, then it's a win win since the user gets to decide which interface to use, physical buttons or touch screen.)

                                                                                   

                                                                                  Touch screens hardly have to be considered an either/or 'touch screen vs mouse/keyboard' situation.  Replacing any keyboard/mouse functions is a bad idea IMO.  What I'm talking about is complementing current keyboard/mouse functions with yet another way of doing things.  In some programs, the usefulness of touch screen is rather obvious: Photoshop and Illustrator for examples.  In other programs, it isn't quite as obvious, such as in Premiere.  That's why I hope Adobe develops a framework for allowing third-party Touch Screen Interfaces in obvious programs such as Photoshop and Illustrator, and copies that framework to its other programs such as Premiere and After Effects.  Then we'll be able to see the creative work of third party developers as they come up with novel ideas for adding useful touch screen features that complement (not replace) our current keyboard/mouse workflow.

                                                                                  • 39. Re: Premiere Pro's #1 missing feature
                                                                                    Jim_Simon Level 8

                                                                                    What I'm talking about is complementing current keyboard/mouse functions with yet another way of doing things.

                                                                                     

                                                                                    We get that.  I'm just saying that I think it will find limited usability, and Adobe's limited resources are better spent developing other features that will find broader usefulness.

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