8 Replies Latest reply on Nov 7, 2007 4:35 PM by liveoak

    Waiting for the release

    Erhard Zrust Level 1
      Well, the year is going to it's end and me, impatiently waiting, was expecting to hear something at least 4 weeks before the release will finally take place.

      Does anybody (Dean?) has any news? My boss was very pleased to finally hear some news about how it might be going on with the shockwave department here but now he grows impatient again. I begin to fear that my team will be integrated into the Java department before D11 is released.

      Is Adobe always this secretive about new releases (like: no beta, no hints, no news, basically nothing?)
      Me for my part is starting to get tired of always watching at the Director MX 2004 product presentation sites here on the Adobe site
        • 1. Re: Waiting for the release
          Level 7
          Erhard Zrust wrote:

          > Well, the year is going to it's end and me, impatiently waiting, was
          > expecting to hear something at least 4 weeks before the release will finally
          > take place. Does anybody (Dean?) has any news?

          Hi Erhard,

          Adobe have spoken publicly about Director 11 at Max and other places. Quite a while
          back (over a year), the special FAQ page was created with the first question being,
          "When is the next version of Director software expected to be released?" At that
          time, while the answer did not give a specific date, it did say it would happen in
          the first half of the year. The FAQ page has changed a couple of times. It now says
          that an announcement will be made before the end of the year.

          You can see the FAQ at:
          http://www.adobe.com/products/director/special/crossproduct/faq.html

          Just taking the FAQ changes as an indication, getting Director 11 out has taken
          longer than expected.

          The likelihood is that the next version of Director will be in 2008. The exact date
          will be decided based on production/planning/marketing and other Adobe
          considerations. Keep a look out as Adobe will surely live up to their promise and
          give some news as we draw to the end of the year.

          regards
          Dean

          Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
          http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
          http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
          email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au



          • 2. Re: Waiting for the release
            Erhard Zrust Level 1
            hm, I know about the FAQ and was keenly following the news around MAX, which was good news as I think (in somewhat difference to some here on the forum as I clearly see a future place for D11 besides Flash). Just now I start to feel uninformed again by Adobe, and as I am always asked about "good" news I run out of what to say in the company I'm working for.

            I tend to think that a clear "we have still some problems and don't want to ship a buggy product just to ship it in 2007" would not hurt Adobe but give a clear timeframe of what to expect.

            I believe that if future releases of Director want to be accepted and they want it to somewhat regain the place it had in the past, they have to build and rely on the strong community the app still (and I mean literally after all those messed up years) has. They gave hope at the MAX, afterwards they seemed to have kinda messed up some of this again with the unclear "beta programme". I just hope that they don't disappoint again :-)

            Well, maybe it's also that I just can't wait anymore as I saw some good stuff in the clip of the MAX (like the faster DX9, script tree view and displacement maps) and I'm keen to get my hands on it and look what I can do now in terms of 3D-gaming :-)

            Thx anyway for the quick answer
            • 3. Re: Waiting for the release
              Level 7
              Erhard Zrust wrote:

              > hm, I know about the FAQ and was keenly following the news around MAX, which
              > was good news as I think (in somewhat difference to some here on the forum as I
              > clearly see a future place for D11 besides Flash). Just now I start to feel
              > uninformed again by Adobe..

              Hi Erhard,

              I know many are eagerly awaiting D11 or at least information on what's happening. I
              will do what I can to press the need for info for the public.

              regards
              Dean

              Director Lecturer / Consultant / Director Enthusiast
              http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/learning/director
              http://www.multimediacreative.com.au
              email: d.utian@unsw.edu.au


              • 4. Re: Waiting for the release
                Samuel_Joseph_IV Level 1
                Does Mac OS X 10.5 have anything to do with this?

                I got to thinking.... The original plan by Apple was to have 10.5 out in June for WWDC

                That got backed up till October

                Since there has not been an update to Director prior to Apple going to Intel

                Do you think Adobe said.. well lets test this on 10.5 and that is the reason for the delay?

                • 5. Re: Waiting for the release
                  Erhard Zrust Level 1
                  yep, I've also been thinking of that already, but what would have cost them something like "we are shipping it now and should there be problems with Lep, we will release an update."
                  So that can only be a part of the reason. I think it was more difficult to move the team to Bangalore and lose Tom than Adobe expected. As for me, all of this is ok because it makes me feel that the guys are serious about making a good app (he you guys out there, be honest, Director with its legacy of code dating back to something like the eighties and outlasting something like 3 major changes in how to perfectly manage a software project must be a beast to handle )

                  Anyways, I can understand that a major change can not be achieved overnight and for this I was really pleased of the info I got from the MAX presentations, which make me think that they have realized where the problems are and are going into the right direction (well, saying this I hope that Havok or something similar will again be onboard, without it, it would be hard to code my apps)

                  The only thing that I find confusing is this non-disclosure policy from Adobe. Hell, there is a strong and devoted userbase out there. I know many people who would love to go back to Director, even when they already have migrated to Flash or Java for some reasons. Why? Well, simply because despite of what the people say Director was always nice to code with Lingo, it could be used better than any app I know (I know Flash) by designers AND coders (e.g. I know some out there who never saw any lingo, me I never used the score) and it can be used to do a hell lot of things.

                  If I were Adobe I would use this userbase as a gift sent by heaven, and integrate it into the process of getting the app to life again. This is what I'm somehow missing and I fear that time's running out.
                  • 6. Waiting for the release
                    liveoak
                    quote:

                    Originally posted by: Erhard Zrust
                    So that can only be a part of the reason. I think it was more difficult to move the team to Bangalore and lose Tom than Adobe expected.

                    Well, I think one issue is that there might have been "no team" to move - with the neglect on Macromedia's part, I can't imagine many programmers wanted to stay on the project.

                    Part of me wonders if the crew in India had to start wading through the ancient Director code, solely based on it's internal documentation, and try to figure out what was going on.

                    If DIrector merely starts to come up to speed with modern OS's and cleans up it's major issues that's a start for me (proper handling of characers is first on my list - no distinction between audio files named "horse" and "Horse", fore example) .
                    • 7. Re: Waiting for the release
                      Level 7
                      As a side note, there is an easy little hack to do case-sensitive
                      comparisons. Normal Lingo is not case sensitive (which is something
                      that I got one like about it), there for

                      put "horse"="Horse"
                      -- 1

                      It thinks that they are the same. But items in a list are case-sensitive.

                      put ["horse"]=["Horse"]
                      -- 0

                      so, it is pretty easy to make those comparisons if you wish.
                      • 8. Re: Waiting for the release
                        liveoak Level 1
                        Yes, we do all go to great lengths to determine characters. I have thousands of lines of custom code that converts each character to ASCI to force a character by character comparison all over my programming.

                        But I'm talking about the way that casts are "sort of like databases" but really aren't. They are databases in that they allow us to use thousand of elements and reference them on the fly. But they fail in that they can't distinguish between similar but not identical cast names.

                        Create 2 internal sound cast members, "Horse" and "horse", and use lingo to play them -

                        sound(1).play(member "horse")
                        sound(1).play(member "Horse")

                        Both times the same sound (the one that appears first in the cast) will play.

                        put member("Horse").number
                        put member("horse").number

                        Both give the same member number (or cast, if you substitute that for "number").

                        All sorts of problems with umlauts as well. This is the sort of thing that really needs to be fixed in Director 11 to move it forward!