9 Replies Latest reply: Apr 3, 2013 4:13 AM by pziecina RSS

    Sneak peek: the next version of DW

    David_Powers ACP

      Alejandro Guttierez shows off one of the main new features in the next version of Dreamweaver.

       

      http://blogs.adobe.com/dreamweaver/2013/04/nextgendreamweaver.html

       

      By the way, if you plan to attend Adobe MAX, I am presenting a 90-minute hands-on lab diving into the detail of how to use the new CSS Designer panel. The lab will be presented twice at 2.45pm on Monday, 6 May, and at 11am on Wednesday, 8 May.

       

      The blog post also confirms what I have suspected for a long time: server behaviors will be removed from the next version. They'll still be available as an extension, so existing users aren't left in the lurch. But the message is clear: start thinking of alternatives.

        • 1. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
          VL Branko Community Member

          A lot was removed including Spry:

           

          "We have removed the Bindings, Server Behaviors, Components, and Databases panel, as well as Spry, Browser Compatibility Check, and a few others. Some of these items will be available as extensions for customers who still rely on these features."

           

          I hope there will be a robust and easier to use replacement.

          • 2. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
            VL Branko Community Member

            What will happen to sites that use Spry? How will they be maintained?

            • 3. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
              David_Powers ACP

              Sites that use Spry will continue to work. To the best of my knowledge, Dreamweaver will continue to recognize Spry widgets, allowing you to maintain them. However, you won't be able to insert new Spry widgets if you upgrade to the next version of DW.

              • 4. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                VL Branko Community Member

                Ok, I wasn't planning to. But a lot of time learning how to use Spry was wasted .

                 

                What will Spry be replaced with?

                • 5. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                  David_Powers ACP

                  Web-related technology is changing at a rapid pace, so web designers are constantly needing to upgrade their skills. Adobe hoped Spry would be a success, but jQuery, which was developed at roughly the same time, won the battle.

                   

                  When Adobe announced it was no longer investing in the development of Spry, it said "Going forward, Adobe will continue to make contributions to JQuery UI, JQuery Mobile and other frameworks so as to help web designers create rich web and mobile experiences." Also, the article accompanying Alejandro's sneak peek of the CSS Designer had this to say: "As we move forward we will continue to focus Dreamweaver on modern web standards and technologies including HTML5, jQuery, and more."

                   

                  Given those two statements, I would say it's a fair bet that Adobe is jumping on the jQuery bandwagon. For the actual details, we'll have to wait until the next version of DW is released.

                  • 6. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                    osgood_ MVP

                    Just removing the server behaviours without replacing them with something more up-to-date its NOT very forward thinking of Adobe. The server behaviours IS or WAS a massive reason to use Dreamweaver.

                     

                    I mean I could probably get into the code and with some difficulty write my own stuff to connect to a database get the information out of a database and loop through database records but those with less skill, thousands if not millions, will have zero chance. WOW Adobe Dreamweaver is going to suffer a hit because of that.

                     

                    Gotta hope some bright extention writer is on the case, a mint is to be made if they are.

                    • 7. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                      David_Powers ACP

                      osgood_ wrote:

                       

                      Just removing the server behaviours without replacing them with something more up-to-date its NOT very forward thinking of Adobe. The server behaviours IS or WAS a massive reason to use Dreamweaver.

                      I have no idea whether Adobe plans to replace server behaviors with something more up to date. What I do know is that the forum dedicated to developing server-side applications in Dreamweaver has become less and less active in the past year or so. Maybe that's because people who don't want to write their own code rely on the more sophisticated offerings of extension developers, such as WebAssist and DMX Zone, who have their own forums. However, if I used those extensions my main concern would be that, as far as I know, they're dependent on the deprecated mysql functions.

                       

                      Working with a database doesn't necessarily involve writing a lot of code. There are several powerful PHP frameworks, all of them free, that do all the hard lifting for you. When I wrote Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 with PHP: Training from the Source, only one chapter was devoted to using server behaviors. The book was published by Adobe Press, and with Adobe's full knowledge and approval, it concentrated on using Zend Framework 1. It also showed how to use WordPress in Dreamweaver. I think the rise of WordPress played a similar role in the fate of server behaviors as jQuery played in the decision to cease investing in Spry.

                       

                      If WordPress is too much like a sledgehammer, an alternative is Perch. It's not free, and it requires a separate licence for each website, but it has an excellent reputation. It's developed and maintained by Drew McLellan and his wife, Rachel Andrew, two very talented web developers (they're Brits, too). I don't have any affiliation with them. I've just heard lots of good things about them and Perch.

                      • 8. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                        osgood_ MVP

                        David_Powers wrote:

                         

                        osgood_ wrote:

                         

                        Just removing the server behaviours without replacing them with something more up-to-date its NOT very forward thinking of Adobe. The server behaviours IS or WAS a massive reason to use Dreamweaver.

                        I have no idea whether Adobe plans to replace server behaviors with something more up to date. What I do know is that the forum dedicated to developing server-side applications in Dreamweaver has become less and less active in the past year or so. Maybe that's because people who don't want to write their own code rely on the more sophisticated offerings of extension developers, such as WebAssist and DMX Zone, who have their own forums. However, if I used those extensions my main concern would be that, as far as I know, they're dependent on the deprecated mysql functions.

                         

                        Working with a database doesn't necessarily involve writing a lot of code. There are several powerful PHP frameworks, all of them free, that do all the hard lifting for you. When I wrote Adobe Dreamweaver CS5 with PHP: Training from the Source, only one chapter was devoted to using server behaviors. The book was published by Adobe Press, and with Adobe's full knowledge and approval, it concentrated on using Zend Framework 1. It also showed how to use WordPress in Dreamweaver. I think the rise of WordPress played a similar role in the fate of server behaviors as jQuery played in the decision to cease investing in Spry.

                         

                        If WordPress is too much like a sledgehammer, an alternative is Perch. It's not free, and it requires a separate licence for each website, but it has an excellent reputation. It's developed and maintained by Drew McLellan and his wife, Rachel Andrew, two very talented web developers (they're Brits, too). I don't have any affiliation with them. I've just heard lots of good things about them and Perch.

                         

                        Sure David I hear what you're saying BUT Wordpress is too clumsy for the client to use simply. It's far too easy to add a myriad of extentions which could break the website design. Every time Wordpress is released you need to upgrade with it. It has security risks as far as I know. It's certainly not soemthing that I would touch after having given it a run out, several times. The whole package is really messy in my view and you're less in control of the process. Coding is King.

                         

                        Yes, Perch is much better and simpler but is still quite restrictive, I've used that too. I've just finished a website which as far as I'm concerned required a bespoke CMS. Not only that if you write the code, or most of it, you have full control and knowledge in the event of something which stops working......at least I have a chance of sorting out the problem them. Totally relying on 3rd party products or extentions you have zero chance UNLESS you're some kind of code wizard which you arent going to be if youre using Wordpress or Perch.

                         

                        I think the reason why there is less and less activity in the forum you mentioned is that many have moved away from using the DW server behaviours (php is the most popular server language by far) BUT Adobe have sat on their backside and missed the boat prefering to concentrate on rather lame updates.

                         

                        I'm sure your right about WebAssist and DMX Zone whose extention MUST be compatibale with the Dreamweaver ones. I guess its over to them to come up with something that replaces the ones in Adobe as they themselves are highly unlikley to do it themselves.

                         

                        For me its a question of I have now got to go and learn some of the new sqli which on the outset seems a lot more streamlined than the functional crap DW was writting anyway.

                        • 9. Re: Sneak peek: the next version of DW
                          pziecina Community Member

                          Hi

                           

                          The other thing to remember about wordpress is that it also relies on the old 'deprecated' PHP::MySQL extension, So at some point it too will probably be updated to take advantage of the better MySQLi or PDO methods of working with databases, which will also 'break' many of the current wordpress extensions that used the old php extension.

                           

                          Interestingly Drupal does now use PDO, and supports other database types, and not just the MySQL database.

                           

                          PZ