15 Replies Latest reply: Apr 8, 2013 9:03 AM by gator soup RSS

    Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?

    gator soup Community Member

      I got stuck on a problem where I couldn't get Acrobat's print to match what I print out of Photoshop (Epson 7880) using Source>Print Profile "Photoshop Manages Colors" workflow.

       

      I traced the problem to InDesign.

       

      The screenshot below shows the Photoshop sRGB document (left) with the blue background, 22/56/158.

      The right side shows InDesign blue background (sRGB is Working RGB) with the identical 22/56/158 RGB fill.

       

      Open the screenshot in Photoshop (use the embedded profile, sRGB), and sample the blue background in each app.

      There is a considerable difference between them that could account for the difference I am complaining about the prints not matching.

       

      Proof.jpg

       

      So I have to wonder which app is correct, Photoshop or InDesign...if I am missing something?

       

      settings.jpg

        • 1. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
          MW Design Community Member

          Your RGB numbers are the same in both the PS and ID screen shots.

           

          capture-000212.png

           

          Mike

          • 2. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
            Community Member

            When there's a discrepancy, and provided your monitors are meticulously calibrated and your color management is correct, I'd be inclined to go by what Photoshop shows.

             

            The truth is that other applications in the "suite" are not up to Photoshop's level of color management accuracy and uniformity.

             

            Inconsistency between or among applications in the artificial "suites" should come as no surprise.

             

            The "suite" concept is a fabrication of Adobe marketing and bean-counting types.  The engineering teams are totally independent of each other, they are not only in different buildings but in different cities and states of the American Union, even in different countries.

             

            The fact that they have little if any communication among them is highlighted by requests occasionally made in these forums by top Adobe engineers to let the other teams know when there are problems in one application that impact our workflow in another one.

            • 3. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
              Community Member

              Mike,

               

              That seems to be what the OP says. 

               

              However, if you check the info on the blue of each of the blue preview patches in the screen shot of each application, they are far from being the same.

               

              Inasmuch as I trust gator soup color management and monitor calibration, I stand by my previous comment in this thread:

               

              Inconsistency between or among applications in the artificial "suites" should come as no surprise.

              • 4. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                Community Member

                Hope Mike/Crayola chimes in.

                • 5. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                  gener7 MVP

                  My question in your screenshot is the CMYK policy.

                   

                  Photoshop: Preserve embedded profiles

                  Indesign:    Preserve numbers Ignore linked profiles (since I do not know Indesign-I'm not sure if you have an embedded profile option)

                   

                  Also I am told sRGB is a poor choice for CMYK output,and if you are intending for your work to be printed, Adobe RGB would be a better working space than sRGB. That would be found in the North American Prepress settings.

                   

                  Get some input from the InDesign forums too.

                   

                  All I know is sRGB is for web and Adobe RGB is better for print.

                  • 6. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                    Community Member

                    gener7,

                     

                    The OP is printing to an Epson 7880, so CMYK would be totally irrelevant here.

                     

                    Personally, I'd be absolutely working in Prophoto RGB under those circumstances myself (as I always do in my setup), but it's possible that gator soup does not have access to an original ProPhoto RGB file of this image and was merely handed a lowly sRGB file by the client.    The colors have been forced into the narrower sRGB color space already, so converting to a wider color space—like ProPhoto RGB or the modest Adobe RGB—wouldn't help now.

                    • 7. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                      Community Member

                      Incidentaly, gener7, gator soup is an old hand at color management.  Check out his site:

                       

                      http://www.gballard.net/psd/cmstheory.html

                      • 8. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                        MW Design Community Member

                        Oops. Thanks, Station_two.

                         

                        fwiw, if I were printing from ID and attempting to match a PS RGB print, I would set the transparency blend space in ID to RGB. In the print dialog, Output section, I would make sure that in the Color drop down, Composite Leave Unchanged was selected.

                         

                        Printing to my Phaser, the prints from PS and ID using the OP's color values are identical using RGB in both apps.

                         

                        But...if this was a print job, the placed PSDs would be CMYK, the working ID space would be CMYK (and transparency blend space). I would be using a swatch book for picking color values (unless a client gave me values). The resultant PDFs for either digital or offset would match those values.

                         

                        Mike

                        • 9. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                          gener7 MVP

                          Yeah, now remember his name coming up in CM discussions. I don't know why his site isn't in his profile. It's pretty thorough.

                           

                          Well then this one is way above my pay grade if he doesn't know.

                          • 10. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                            Community Member

                            MikeWenzloff wrote:

                             

                            …Printing to my Phaser, the prints from PS and ID using the OP's color values are identical using RGB in both apps. …

                             

                            Thanks for that info, Mike.  Very useful to know.

                            • 11. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                              conroy Community Member

                              Here's a screenshot (converted from my monitor profile to sRGB) of Id and Ps. Both docs are sRGB and displaying RGB (22, 56, 158). No problem with Id here.

                               

                              Screen-shot-2013-04-08-at-03.28.56.png

                              • 12. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                                gator soup Community Member

                                conroy,

                                 

                                do you have a custom monitor profile, or sRGB equivalent?

                                 

                                your Id screenshot cuts off the area i can confirm you are using RGB (not CMYK), i also can't tell what your Id working RGB is, or your Ps Source Profile - so it is hard for me to understand what you did

                                 

                                however, Ps' color picker on my MacBookPro CS6 looks like yours - the one i posted was from my MacPro CS6 and what i am used to seeing in Ps

                                 

                                that may be a clue -- how do i get my MacPro to use that style color picker in Ps?

                                 

                                +++++++

                                 

                                gener7

                                 

                                my Id document only has RGB objects, the blue swatch is "RGB"

                                 

                                my Id Working RGB is sRGB (the same as my Ps Source Profile)

                                 

                                in theory, the same RGB numbers using the same source profile should "match" on the monitor (calibrated or generic) in this test (if InDesign converts its Working RGB to Monitor RGB like Photoshop)

                                 

                                moreover, getting Info in Ps on each app's blue background should be a numerical "match" in my screenshot, they're not

                                • 13. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                                  conroy Community Member

                                  gator soup wrote:

                                   

                                  conroy,

                                   

                                  do you have a custom monitor profile, or sRGB equivalent?

                                   

                                  Custom. The original screenshot had my monitor profile. I converted it to sRGB then posted it.

                                   

                                  your Id screenshot cuts off the area i can confirm you are using RGB (not CMYK)

                                   

                                  Trust me, I was using RGB.

                                   

                                   

                                  or your Ps Source Profile - so it is hard for me to understand what you did

                                   

                                   

                                  sRGB as is displayed in Info panel.

                                   

                                   

                                  how do i get my MacPro to use that style color picker in Ps?

                                   

                                   

                                  Enable the radio button at R.

                                  • 14. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                                    gator soup Community Member

                                    here is a screenshot off my MacBookPro using generic monitor profile and the tagged sRGB PDF (10.7, CS6, Acrobat X) (screenshot converted to sRGB)

                                     

                                    backgrounds still not a numeric match using Ps color picker

                                     

                                    i will have to do it off the .indd el mañana...

                                     

                                    acrobat.jpg

                                    • 15. Re: Photoshop or InDesign CS6 - which one is correct?
                                      gator soup Community Member

                                      .

                                      built my test from scratch using 1.67" 500 pixel Ps doc filled using the different style color picker displayed at 100% -- and new Id 1.67" ID doc with only a filled box

                                       

                                      PROBLEM CLEARED (see screenshot) conroy was correct

                                       

                                      Correct.jpg

                                       

                                      using my original color picker, the problem also cleared in a second new test

                                       

                                      either i missed something in my original test (don't know what it could be reviewing my original screenshots) or there is something in my Id build (don't know what that could be either) but the printing issue may resolve itself when i get it figured out...