There has to be a way for me to film in 60p and get a decent 24p render from it in normal speed.
Nope. If you want a 24p final, shoot the 'real time' footage at 24p, and only the slow motion stuff at 60p. This is the norm.
I have seen many projects do the same thing and it looks great. I am thinking its all about finding a happy medium in shutter speed. I don't understand how people that shoot 60p on the RED convert to 24. Many people do it, I'm guessing I am kind of answering my own question with the shutter speed being slower.
I don't understand how people that shoot 60p on the RED convert to 24.
They slow it down. Most people shooting on RED are probably in the upper end of the 'professional' chain, and shoot at the cinema standard of 24p for the 'real time' shots, and only overcrank for the slow motion shots.
I'm not saying it's impossible to do what you want, just that is isn't common, that Adobe tools aren't very good at it, and that there's really no benefit at all from doing it. If you want 24p final delivery, shoot it that way. Any time you need to convert something, you just add more work and the possibility of artifacts to the chain.
I agree that MOST people using the red are professional's but not all. And those very people are the ones I am talking about that I have seen are able to do this. For example, this was shot with a 7D for sure. These clips are no way shot at 24p and I very much doubt at 30. The final video was rendered at 24p. Looks very good to me (except the color).
I have no technical data on the making of that video, including what equipment and software were used, so it's difficult for me to comment on it.
But I stand by my earlier assertions. Shooting 60p for 24p delivery is normally only done for slow motion. Converting for real time playback is unwise and unnecessary, can't be done well using Adobe tools alone, offers no benefit, and only adds work and potential artifacts to the production chain.