8 Replies Latest reply: Apr 17, 2013 5:39 PM by Stan Jones RSS

    CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!

    Bad Habit Studios

      Been running Encore CS3 for a couple of years now and have NEVER had this error before:

       

      Dual Layer project with approximately 10G of video content [about 140 minutes worth] rendered in mpeg2-DVD from Premiere and allowed to transcode in Encore

      Encore is set for Automatic Page Break but as soon as the "Building Navigation" part of the build process starts, I get the folllownig error message:

      "The chosen layer break does not satisfy dual layer requirements,  To fix this either set a new layer break manually or choose to set layer break automatically."

       

      Its ALREADY set to Automatic!  What gives?  I've burned dozens of DL disk in this exact same set up without a hitch, why is this one failing?

        • 1. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
          Stan Jones MVP

          Encore may set the layer break correctly if it finds a good place, but there are numerous complaints about it being unreliable.

           

          Build to a folder (no layer break is set), then use ImgBurn to build and ask to be prompted for layer break.

           

          The most frequent problems appear to be when there is no good location for a break. Do a search for "layer break imgburn" and you will see a variety of strategies.

           

          Since this can vary based on the length of an individual timeline, placement (and absence) of chapters, it is often difficult to tell why automatic layer break works on one project and not another.

          • 2. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
            John T Smith MVP

            >rendered in mpeg2-DVD from Premiere and allowed to transcode in Encore

             

            That seems "odd" to me... when you render MPEG2-DVD from PPro, it is supposed to be DVD legal... which would mean to me that Encore should NOT transcode again

             

            But, do as Stan says... FREE http://www.imgburn.com/index.php?act=download to write files or folders or ISO to disc for DVD or BluRay (send the author a PayPal donation if you like his program)

            • 3. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
              Bad Habit Studios Community Member

              John, I export from Premiere at  6 mbps just as a matter of habit.  I let Encore re-Transcode to get all the assets to the proper size to fit on a DL disk.  Sorry, didn't mean to confuse the issue.

              • 4. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
                Bad Habit Studios Community Member

                After reading throught most of the discussions on Encore dealing with Layer Breaks [even though none seemed to directly addressed the issue I was having], it gave me an idea on what to try that ACTUALLY WORKED!  [Yea!!!]

                 

                I reset all of my chapter marks from every 5 minutes to every 4 minutes which, I assume, gave Encore more choices on where to automatically place the layer break.

                 

                ***A Reminder for others [just in case]:  NEVER place chapter marks closer than 3 minutes apart or within 3 minutes of the end of your clip.

                For some reason Encore does NOT [usualluy] like having its chapter marks crowded any closer together than that.

                 


                {God, I can't believe it was somethign as stupid as changing the chapter marks!}  ::facepalm::

                • 5. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
                  John T Smith MVP

                  >let Encore re-Transcode to get all the assets to the proper size to fit on a DL disk

                   

                  If you are going to have Encore re-transcode an already transcoded asset, I **think** that will result in lower video quality

                   

                  You might try exporting from PPro as DV AVI so when Encore transcodes to fit, there is only one transcode

                   

                  That is what I do... AVCHD to Widescreen DV AVI and then let Encore do automatic transcoding to fit a single or dual layer DVD

                  • 6. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
                    Stan Jones MVP

                    Congratulations!

                     

                    It may have nothing to do with the space between, but only the one or two markers that were in a position for it to matter for this particular layer break.

                     

                    I agree with John; don't let Encore transcode an already compressed mpeg export.

                     

                    The preferred method is to export from Premiere/AME as MPEG2-DVD so that Encore does not transcode it again. (Chapters need to be created in Premeire.) Use a bitrate calculator to find the datarate, remembering to allow for menus, especially motion mens, audio, etc.

                     

                    A workaround is to do what you are doing, then examine the Encore transcoded file and see what the datarate is. The export it (again) from PR, at those rates. Use Replace Asset in Encore; make sure the new file has a different filename.

                    • 7. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
                      Bad Habit Studios Community Member

                      AVIs are so freaking HUGE which is why I usually encode to a relitively high bitrate mpeg first.  I need to maintain backups of my work for my clients so disk space is a major consideration.

                       

                      As it is, I currently have over 60 Terabytes of backup drives.  AVIs would push me to over 600TB and I can't afford that

                       

                      And I manipulate the videos so heavily with filters, adjustments, and effects that it typically take 8 to 12 hours to render a single 20 or 30 minute scene so re-doing renders two or more times really isn't a viable option as Stan suggested.

                       

                      When projects are 120 minutes or less, Encore does not typically have to re-Transcode.  It is just on the rare occasion when a clients video runs over that length.  I mean I *know* it is not ideal, but is the loss in image quality really that great to justify the additional time or cost of drvie space?

                      • 8. Re: CS3 Error Message Says to Set Layer Break to Auto But It Is!
                        Stan Jones MVP

                        You are the judge of acceptable loss; you have obviously been getting acceptable results. One option is to keep records of total length and Encore's final encodes. That may allow you to make a more educated guess on settings for exports from Premiere when your base datarate is not going to work.

                         

                        I can't recall whether it is Jeff Pulera, but someone has a simplified method for calculating for export from Premiere.