SEO - Duplicate content with the .worldsecuresystems domain

Worldsecuresystems is the https of your site for your secure content. BC offers a service at a decent price through many reasons, one is a shared ceritifcate system so you dont have to purchase one for every site taking payments online.

BC last year updated the system to redirect that domain naturally so google will not index it with a well formed site.

IF you have incorect built site where your menu's are relative and you have secure pages a bot will once on that secure page consider all your other links under that domain. If you have put a link on a site to a page under https and not ticked the "not index" on the page in the admin it will get indexed by google.

A well built site will not have this indexed, even before the BC update last year I was achieving this. So the first step is to go through your site and identify where you have done this and fix up those links.

Worldsecuresystems is SSL Secure not Password Protected Secure (unless your pages are within a secure zone).

You have it linked somewhere on your site. And you do not have to make your links absolute. That is one method but it hard to explain as I just build sites in my way and not have issues but it is avoidable.

This is a real issue for us with one of our new sites. We went live and didn't have absolute links on the secure pages, and now the whole site is being indexed under worldsecuresystems.com. (Google site:https://brightonsavoy.worldsecuresystems.com).

We have changed this now, but it's not going to resolve the indexing issue. Is there a way to fix this, or are we going to have to go through and add a canonical tag to every page to let Google know that brightonsavoy.com.au is the primary domain?

Cheers,

Klaye

Hey Klaye,

You actually have linked to that on the site

You have linked to this page:

https://brightonsavoy.worldsecuresystems.com/gift-vouchers

My report says 162 times but I guess its not that many and is in a footer or template on a number of pages.

Once through that link google will link as the worldsecuresystems without breaking out of it.

Make sure you have rel="no-follow" when you link to that page.

Hi Liam,

Yes, there is that page along with another.

However, when on that page it was linking to all other pages using relative links (worldsecuresystems.com), rather than absolute (brightonsavoy.com.au). We've now changed this, but the site has been fully indexed under worldsecuresystems (Google site:https://brightonsavoy.worldsecuresystems.com to see - there are 204 indexed pages).

How can we remove this without setting up a canonical on every page? It's causing duplicate content issues.

You have to set up goolge webmaster tools, deny some pages and now just wait.

You now have to wait for google to not consider their relevence.

Absolute urls throughout the site will cause you more problems and SEO issues as well. no-follow on secure links would have been the simple fix.

But you said you had not linked to secure pages, bu you had so thats how your issue has happened.

Liam - can you not just add Canonical Tags? For example, if you were on this page:
https://brightonsavoy.worldsecuresystems.com/gift-vouchers

and you set a canonical tag:

<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.brightonsavoy.com.au/gift-vouchers" />

However, I've tried using both the following:

<link rel="canonical" href="{tag_permalinkonly}" />

and

<link rel="canonical" href="{tag_permalink}" />

and haven't been able to use either in the template or a page. I think you referenced it to blogs in your forum post, but it doesn't seem to work, on a page or template, it just shows the above code.

I have a similar issue, although not for the worldsecuresystems domain, the fact that we have a couple of sites in 1 account so would be interested to hear your thoughts.

You can put that in but canonical tag is suggestive not a directive and its actual use is for things like blog posts, products in multiple catalogs to tell google which is your prefered url version. If someone ranks strong google can choose to ignore it.

2 Sites on one account is very hard to fix SEO issues, BC says it can have multiple domains and sites but does not support the needed SEO elements in that regard.

Yeah, but can you have a tag that works on pages?

Both of these don't work dynamically - so if you go to the page, you get exactly <link rel="canonical" href="{tag_permalink}" /> rather than <link rel="canonical" href="www.example.com/whatever" />? What can we use to get the URL in there?

You have the module {module_pageaddress}

This will be something to use to render in your templates. You will though run into issue when you actually do need to use canonical for other uses.

Sorting it in web master tools, fixing up your worldsecuresystems links with no-follow on them etc is the way to go. Never had this issue on sites other then when clients made a mistake and both those occasions that is what I did and it fixed it up after 6 weeks.

Yeah, see that module places the name of whatever site you're on, rather than the default. What would be ideal would be if there was a page URI module that would just ignore the www.example.com/ and just give you the whatever so that you could do something like:

<link rel="canonical" href="http://www.example.com/{module_pageuri}" />

So we're going to have to place canonical tags manually across all pages? Great.

FYI - Google does support cross-domain canonicals: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zI6L2N4A0hA

You got this:

{module_pageaddress}

That renders differently based on the https etc.

If you build your sites properly with templates that is not the case Pebble Design. And as I keep saying..

1. This can easily be avoided.

2. Other steps to clear this up after as I mentioned.

{module_pageaddress} will not work for the reason addressed by real8eard.

I think you mean "if BC were able to handle simple cross-domain redirects that is not the case". A simple mix-up from our end when going live with a site shouldn't result in us needing to manually add a canonical tag to every page later on.

Your other step (adding a nofollow tag) will not work at this stage either as it's already been indexed.

Surely there can be an easy way to stop worldsecuresystems being indexed if we wish. A simple checkbox inside the 'Domains' section would suffice.

Perhaps you can clarify what you mean by "You have to set up google webmaster tools, deny some pages and now just wait."

Are you referring to setting up a separate Webmaster Tools account for https://brightonsavoy.worldsecuresystems.com and using the 'Remove URLs' feature to remove all pages of the site? If so, this will take a long time as well.

There is also a 'Change of Address' feature, however this would be used when a site is completely closed down and 301 redirected to another.

Please confirm.

Not the same module if you not noticed

Bc has in place things to now stop the worldsecuresystems showing up with every site going live along with the development domain. If you link a url a url will be indexed, that is the same for every link on every web. There will be occasions where someone may want https pages getting ranked as well. So you cant blanket block that either as you will upset those cases.

No-follow is one step of a few I posted. You need to do this as part of the process to fix it, you can choose to ignore doing so if you feel it is not any use, but it is otherwise google will continue to see it as a link to look into and then you have to have things in place. Shut the door.

Google webmaster tools you have lots of useful features such as Disavow

I appreciate your help Liam, however nofollow will not fix this. The entire worldsecuresystems domain has already been indexed. Adding a nofollow to this now will not do anything other than stop passing pagerank to the worldsecuresystems domain.

On the gift vouchers (worldsecuresystems) page, there are no links pointing to other worldsecuresystems pages, everything is linking back to brightonsavoy.com.au, so no other worldsecuresystem pages can be found by spiders crawling the site.

The disavow tool in Webmaster Tools is to instruct Google to ignore incoming links, not remove pages from the index.

Your not really listening

As I keep saying that is only one part of the puzzle but something you should do As standard to avoid the problem AND as part of the sollution or you will continue to have issues.

Like I keep saying also Conical is a suggestive element and not a directive like the 301 for example. If google thinks a worldsecuresystems link is stronger it can still choose to use that one over what you ask it to with the cononical.

Do you want google to stop indexing or looking at the URLs? Yes, then that is one step.

As I said the other thing is to go through your webmaster tools and address the links with disavow and other internal link block features.

There may be no links now if it was absolute but that was not always the case and if they been indexed before then they are there until google notices changes and filters them out. You can not fix this overnight no matter what you do- Plain fact.

Once you do the steps to fix the isues all you can do is wait!

Number one rule is to avoid it in the first place and something I not had issue with for years.

Lets be clear - YOU CAN NOT REMOVE LINKS FROM THE INDEX.

You can only do the steps I have indicated and other steps also mentioned in this thread and wait till google decides not to index them OR their ranking drops off. The damage is done.

Only sollution is 301 redirecting and then you will have secure page links auto redirecting to non secure page links which 100% you do not want.

I am also having problems with Duplicate page content and duplicate page titles on my site www.carolynnescottages.com.au

These pages are:

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/Gallery

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/gallery

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/garden

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/weddings_gallery

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/Default.aspx?PageID=2869822&Page=1&A=PhotoGallery&PID =12492&Items=24

http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/Default.aspx?PageID=2642340&Page=1&A=PhotoGallery&PID =11091&Items=24

I couldn't find the 2 links above. 

If either of you can shed some light on how to fix this I would really appeciate it.  BTW I have a canonical tag on the homepage.  Do i need to add it to the pages above?

They are system generated where you have a gallery on the page for the different pagination sets, not much you can do abou tthat.

In terms of the other links this is a manual issue, you have created pages all with the same gallery and content, Why is this? You will of course have a duplicate content issue if you do this, they need to be unique if you are going to have those pages.

Thank you for your prompt reply Liam.  I understand about the system generated ones.  But I don't understand the others.  I did notice some links were linking to http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/Gallery but I don't have a page in BC with the Gallery url - I only have http://www.carolynnescottages.com.au/gallery.  I have changed the links so they are linking to /gallery rather than /Gallery.  Hopefully this helps. 

It is very strange.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Tammy

But you still have those pages existing. If you are not using them you need to delete or disable them or ensure you have a 301 redirect to the right page.

I am using them.  There is only one copy of them too.

A gallery module has to sit on a page and you linked 4 pages the same, just noticed gallery images updated but they still a gallery on the page. You have no parapgraph describing the page with keyword rich content and you have no descriptions on the images to give any variation there.

As with any site BC or not caps or no caps will have the same url, This wont be treated as duplicate content and you need to understnad there is actually no duplicate content punishment for same site pages with content the same. It is just not desirable and your ranking wont go up for having say 5 pages with the same content and Google may choose only one and conical is there to try and define which of the links you want google to rank you on.

Others do because the worldsecuresystems URL is a different domain, so that matters.

In your site if you have found two variations caps and no caps linked in search engines then that means you have linked it differently, you need to find out where and create consistancy on your site.

Hi Liam,

I really appreciate your reply but I still don't understand.  I do not have multiple pages the same.

I am unclear as my seo tool tells me I have 8 pages with duplicate content.  I only have the canonical tag on the homepage.

Not sure how to fix it as there are no duplicate pages to create the 301 on.

I think I have worked it out. I had some pages linking to a url with a capital ie. /Gallery instead of /gallery. Also same in my sitemap.  Hopefully that's fixed it.

How would you put a nofollow on {tag_getquotebutton, Get a Quote} ?